We can only speculate what Twitter 2.0 will be but I suspect Twitter 3.0 will be a very small company trying to emulate Twitter 1.0.
Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation
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Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you demonstrate them as such? And can you validate your demonstration by eliminating the content produced by bots and sock puppets?
I see comments like this frequently on hackernews and i'm curious on your motivation. Do you actually use twitter so this comment isn't lining up with your expectations? Do you not use twitter and expect this person to justify their experience by doing further research? What is _actually_ motivating you to comment like this?
i use twitter and have been using twitter for the past... fifteen years (my profile say "Joined October 2007").
my own twitter experience has not changed at all -- i'm seeing the same tweets i was seeing before and seeing none of the hate people are seeing. but, ofc, the plural of anecdote is not data.
Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation
#153TLDR: this post is entirely to calm advertisers, it can be boiled down to "don't worry, we still prioritize brand safety like before". It does have this gem in it: "What has changed, however, is our approach to experimentation. As you’ve seen over the past several weeks, Twitter is embracing public testing. We believe that this open and transparent approach to innovation is healthy, as it enables us to move faster an…
I think this new idea of "public testing" is really just a post hoc recasting of Elon's failed Twitter Blue rollout. Calling it by those words is...creative? But the failure was less an experiment as it was a lesson in humility.
> I think this new idea of "public testing" is really just a post hoc recasting of Elon's failed Twitter Blue rollout. Calling it by those words is...creative?
Its just a diplomatic rephrasing of Elon’s “do lots of dumb things” tweet:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1590384919829962752?t=cc...
But advertisers who have pulled out because of distrust and lack of stability aren’t likely to be reassured by rationalizations for the policy instability, they’ll just be confirmed in their decisions to wait to see how things shake out.
And regulators concerned about noncompliance with binding rules aren't going to care about a PR rationalization at all, except insofar as it provides evidence that the failures were intentional rather than inadvertent.
Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah... Also, the unbanning of users previously considered hateful also directly conflicts with "to keep the platform safe from hateful conduct"
Anybody would agree with you given the following two assumptions- That these previously banned users were banned for conduct that they would consider hateful That banning users is the only way to keep the platform safe from hateful conduct If twitter disagrees with either of these statements, you can see why they would disagree with your point
Problem in the long run is that it doesn't matter whether or not Twitter believes they are hateful. Heck, it doesn't even matter if the person you're responding to thinks they are hateful.
For Musk to not lose gobs and gobs of money, it only matters whether advertisers, in their sole estimation, consider those people hateful. The guys with the nine figure ad budgets will almost certainly fall on the "cautious" side of that line.
The only thing that will help here is finding small, less PR minded brands or businesses to replace the players in the nine figure club. This won't be easy, but I think it is the only reasonable way forward to create the kind of Twitter that Musk seems to want to create. Having worked at "DDB Need'em" long ago, I'd set his chances of pulling that off relatively low, but I don't think it's impossible.
Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation
#155> First, none of our policies have changed. Our approach to policy enforcement will rely more heavily on de-amplification of violative content: freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach. "Nothing has changed, except..." > Our Trust & Safety team continues its diligent work to keep the platform safe from hateful conduct, abusive behavior, and any violation of Twitter's rules. The team remains strong and well-resourc…
Yeah... Also, the unbanning of users previously considered hateful also directly conflicts with "to keep the platform safe from hateful conduct"
No, because the thing that has changed explicitly is Twitter is no longer going to ban users based on hateful conduct, but deboost their tweets.
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#156Let's be honest – Musk doesn't know what the hell he is doing here.
I'm starting to question how much he has ever. Has something changed with him? Or has he always been like this? If it's always been this rash, hasty and questionable then i can only imagine the real heroes are the people around him who managed to refine what he says and wants into tangible, achievable and coherent goals. Regardless of whether or not you agree with his actions these days, it does at least seem a signi…
he had very capable partners/lieutenants at spacex and tesla (shotwell and straubel, respectively). elon's undeniably great at cheerleading and fundraising but it's unclear how much credit he deserves for the technical accomplishments of spacex and tesla. at paypal he was run out almost immediately upon becoming ceo and at twitter he's surrounded himself with non entities like jason calcanis and alex spiro
Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most scientists likely wish they could get the rigor of a company like Twitter's a/b testing suite.
Why wouldn't Twitter (or similarly large companies) have open-sourced their a/b testing suite? It's not like the math there is proprietary. I mean, I'm sure the parameters to the math are proprietary. But the basic math seems simple enough.
If you're not using an off the shelf one, chances are it's tightly integrated to your application framework.
Trying to tease out the pieces that aren't coupled to Twitter's User class is probably more effort than it's worth
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
Twitter was previously doing A/B tests. Spaces, communities, downvotes, circles, and even moderation were applied only to a subset of accounts while they actively experimented. The new policy is an objectively less scientific approach to testing functionality than what was occurring before.
It's not like A/B tests approach anything like the rigor that we expect from actual science, though.
If "actual science" is a real thing, then absolutely nothing humanity has ever done in the name of scientific endeavour is "actual science," given every experiment exists on a continuum of trade-offs.
A case could be made that A/B testing is insufficiently rigorous given specific goals, resources, limitations, context, etc. But that case isn't being made here.
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Twitter has never been more fun, useful, and engaging for me. I signed up for an account after years of refusing to do so after elon took over
Then, if I may ask, how do you have an idea of what it was before?
I was a lurker before, I read twitter all the time with out an account. It as a pain because they kept trying to force you to create an account so I kept having to find ways around their account signup walls which was fun...