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While Signal does require a phone number to register, they only know your phone number, your date of registration and the date of your phones last connection to signal's servers. Anyone requesting your information from them needs to provide your phone number, so any info they can get is account creation date and date of last connection.
Signal shouldn't ask for phone numbers. I don't give a shit what the justification is.
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Jabber/XMPP, Matrix are the obvious answers.
I'll get my mum right onto it
Don't use messengers that ask for your phone number and aren't end-to-end encrypted. Use services that store as little data as possible. If data is stored, it can be given away and I would assume that it will be given away. Telegram disguises itself as encrypted chat app, when it is actually just a regular centralized plaintext messenger that has an encryption feature that nobody uses.
End-to-end encryption doesn't protect you from this, since any recipient can report illegal material to the authorities and trigger an investigation of the sender.
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> Telegram disguises itself as encrypted chat app Where does it do this?
https://telegram.org/ > Private > Telegram messages are heavily encrypted and can self-destruct.
They are referring to in-transit message over Internet as virtually indecipherable: Nothing a court warrant can't get directly from their servers.
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I'll get my mum right onto it
In all fairness, I got my entire non-technical family onto xmpp/jabber with Snikket (which is a highly opinionated packaging of existing xmpp server and clients with minor tweaks). They scan a QR code to download the app and join the server. It is e2ee out of the box and the experience is quite comfortable and seamless, even for a non-technical person.
Or is my family just weird in their chat preferences?
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It is not the first case for Telegram. So, Durov will continue with his show... they claim that Telegram is e2e encrypted, but don't mention that needs to be activated per chat
They don't claim this. They claim Cloud Chats are encrypted, which is true and only claim e2ee for Secret Chats, which is also true.
Don't worry, you're safe from hackers, deep state, and foreign nation-state from eavesdropping on ya over the net through their awesomely robust and intensely-touted advertised EE2E capability.
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>>americans/europeans can hardly imagine. Americans and Europeans have the desire to learn this lesson the hard way. They lack the wisdom to learn from others and instead believe their governments are the noble governments that would never violate their rights for power.
Traditionally Americans are quite suspicious of their government. The battles over 1st Amendment free speech and 2nd Amendment gun rights, among many, are a testament that the sentiment is still widely held.
Traditional Americans are few and far between these days. Decades of "liberal" education pushing a rose colored view of strong central governments have changed the American Culture this is why you see younger voters increasingly looking to government not community to solve their problems.
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So what exactly is your threat model here that signal doesn't counter? They need to know your phone number before asking signal about it.
In much of the world, for the government at least, that is a given: you can't get a phone number without presenting legal ID, and the issuer of the phone number is required by law to maintain this association. This is true in much of Europe, for example.
I don't get your threat model.
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While Signal does require a phone number to register, they only know your phone number, your date of registration and the date of your phones last connection to signal's servers. Anyone requesting your information from them needs to provide your phone number, so any info they can get is account creation date and date of last connection.
Phone number is enough to find who is behind it in most cases.
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I'll get my mum right onto it
There is no technical barriers that can not be overcome to allow the use of XMPP by normal non-technical users. GChat for years was XMPP until google got a market share they desired and choose to take their users off an open protocol in favor of their own one (which they then killed a few years later )