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Re: Is wine fake?

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Post by randomdata »

bombcar wrote: post #119
randomdata wrote: post #96

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> the original fast food was hot dogs and that's almost entirely gone now. Curious about this history. According to Wikipedia, fast food was common during antiquity, while the hotdog wasn't invented until the 1400s. White Castle seems to be recognized as the origin of modern day fast food and it opened as a hamburger joint.

Fair enough, maybe not the originallest, but some of the now hamburger chains started out as hot dog chains, of which there's one? left IIRC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl%27s_Jr.#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_dog

Isn't present day Carl's Jr. just Hardee's by another name? Hardee's began as a burger joint as well.

According to research from the University of Guelph, hotdogs are comparatively uncommon in fast food because hotdogs are harder to cook consistently and have a shorter window of enjoyability which makes them less suited to fast food than hamburgers.

Re: Is wine fake?

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Post by 2b3a51 »

wwweston wrote: post #64
ramesh31 wrote: post #44

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>My wife and I love to cook, have discussed opening our own restaurant, have eaten at lots of very expensive "haute cuisine" restaurants and have tasted lots of wines. Please don’t make the mistake of thinking “I like to cook” means “I would like to run a restaraunt”. They’re two completely different things.

Can you elaborate on this? I'm sure there's more to it and it could be great to know what some of the specifics are, but it also seems like someone who likes to cook is going to need to be present for a good restaurant

Perhaps a quick skim of Anthony Bourdain's Kitchen Confidential might help. His position is that running a restaurant is very different from cooking for yourself and friends.

But obviously many people do set up and run restaurants.

Re: Is wine fake?

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Post by alfalfasprout »

antognini wrote: post #49

One of my professors in grad school was really into wine and every couple of years he would put on an after-hours wine tasting class for a semester. One of the points he made was that there are absolutely wines which are objectively better and worse and that experts can reliably tell them apart. He had met enough experts who could identify a vineyard and vintage blind to know there was something to it. But sitting on…

This is IMO where I've arrived at too. Some wine really sucks. Some wine is incredible. I've definitely been surprised by some With that said... I've had some terrible bottles of $100+ wine from well regarded wineries.

Re: Is wine fake?

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Post by jcadam »

p1necone wrote: post #26
gspencley wrote: post #7

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There have been a lot of blind wine tastings done and the results are always interesting. Sometimes cheap bottles score as high, or higher than vintages. Other times people can spot the cheap "carton" wine easily. My wife and I love to cook, have discussed opening our own restaurant, have eaten at lots of very expensive "haute cuisine" restaurants and have tasted lots of wines. Part of the "problem" is that taste is…

The secret is that a lot of cheap wine is pretty darn good. I imagine there's somewhat of a correlation between price and quality, especially at the absolute bottom end of the pricing scale. But it's a very loose correlation.

Quantity has its own quality :)

...except Franzia, which sucks.

For those among us who have recently been laid off - Bota Box Nighthawk Black is a decent/drinkable red if you're on a budget.

Re: Is wine fake?

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Post by Firmwarrior »

shrubble wrote: post #134
tomcam wrote: post #113

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Next time I'm in the pen expect a call from me for that recipe

Obligatory Pruno link from Modern Drunkard magazine (some profanity) : https://drunkard.com/11-03-jailhouse-3/

haha, that was a great read

> I expelled all my breath and sucked down another glass. Vinegary, yeasty, with a rusty shank of an aftertaste. I was feeling a slight buzz, but I didn’t think I could stomach another glass. It was booze all right, but two glasses was my non-incarcerated limit.

Re: Is wine fake?

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Post by 78124781 »

I really wonder how much of the suspicion of wine comes from the class-conflict accoutrements and marketing.

I used to be a big wine skeptic. It seemed pretentious, overpriced, and boring. The people who liked it were the kind of people I disliked. Most of the places in the town I grew up in all had the same "big reds" at ridiculous prices. Wine was the thing that cost $12 that you paid $60 for at the local steakhouse to look important.

Then, I moved to a lesser-known wine-producing state and started actually trying wine. It took some time--and there were more than a few encounters with snobs and commercial puffery that made me want to rethink it--but it soon opened up into a huge world that I had no idea about before. It was far more fascinating and enduring than previous interests in whiskey or craft beer.

It's a pity that wine gets such a pretentious reputation. It's a fascinating blend of chemistry, geology, geography, and culture that at its heart is an agricultural enterprise.

Re: Is wine fake?

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

randomdata wrote: post #151
bombcar wrote: post #119

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Fair enough, maybe not the originallest, but some of the now hamburger chains started out as hot dog chains, of which there's one? left IIRC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl%27s_Jr.#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_dog

Isn't present day Carl's Jr. just Hardee's by another name? Hardee's began as a burger joint as well. According to research from the University of Guelph, hotdogs are comparatively uncommon in fast food because hotdogs are harder to cook consistently and have a shorter window of enjoyability which makes them less suited to fast food than hamburgers.

I think Hardee’s and Carl’s Jr. were bought by the same company and then evolved towards each other.

Re: Is wine fake?

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Post by jacobsenscott »

> suggesting that individuals on average enjoy more expensive wines slightly less

This is me. Every time I decide to splurge on a bottle of wine I don't like it. Sticking with my 3 liter boxes of costco cabernet.

Re: Is wine fake?

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Post by Retric »

randomdata wrote: post #96
bombcar wrote: post #46

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This is a huge secret across so many different markets; it's insane. The one we may be most familiar with is computers, of course - even a bargain-basement computer today is an absolute beast compared to 10+ years ago. Entire classes of "cheap foods" have disappeared because we are so rich we can make everything "good" - meaning the bargain-basement stuff is now often higher-quality than midrange stuff of 20/50/100 y…

> the original fast food was hot dogs and that's almost entirely gone now. Curious about this history. According to Wikipedia, fast food was common during antiquity, while the hotdog wasn't invented until the 1400s. White Castle seems to be recognized as the origin of modern day fast food and it opened as a hamburger joint.

In antiquity it was more what we might call street food or fast casual.

What really defines fast food is mass production and uniformity.

Re: Is wine fake?

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

pas wrote: post #99
p1necone wrote: post #26

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The secret is that a lot of cheap wine is pretty darn good. I imagine there's somewhat of a correlation between price and quality, especially at the absolute bottom end of the pricing scale. But it's a very loose correlation.

Also big brands usually deliver on consistency. Making the same (or very similar) wine year from year on the order or hundreds of thousands of bottles ... yeah, that takes some skill, and favorable location doesn't hurt either :) For example see the big wineries in New Zealand. But usually if you want something that's exceptional you have to spend a lot on throwing away the unexceptional parts. Not every year will be…

I assume the big brands get part of the way there by mixing old and new wine, though.
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