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Re: KDE beats macOS

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To be honest I stopped caring what OS I'm running as long as it is not windows. I have a terminal open 99% of the time and I almost never open finder or Gnome Files. pacman or brew? really I don't care. Both install what I want with one command. VS Code is basically the same on every system. Gnome/KDE/MacOS all of them have there pros and cons. Right now what wins for me is the apple silicon. I can develop stuff with…

> pacman or brew? really I don't care. Both install what I want with one command. As long as you don't care about the fact that brew is slow as hell, or can't actually handle versions and dependencies properly (installed `gpg` the other day, it updated Python and SQLite and 50 other packages to the latest version, regardless of major or minor), yeah, it's a package manager. Kind of. It still boggles my mind Apple hav…

MacPorts is going strong. Homebrew has more packages, but packaging for MacPorts is not any more difficult than packaging for Brew.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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It seems you're right and I was mistaken. https://digitalitskills.com/how-to-stop-windows-server-auto-...

I always wondered if some really detailed and maintained script or ansible book could make the expiration date a minor issue. Just install it again assuming there is no hardware id of sorts involved in the trial activation.

The link I posted says you just disable the service that does the restarts shrug.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Intuitiveness is just what you are used to at this point. If you've been in the Apple ecosystem your whole life, then their UX seems intuitive to you. If you haven't, then it makes absolutely no sense. I first touched an apple device in my 20's, there was nothing intuitive about it. I couldn't do anything and was extremely frustrated. I'm sure the same applies to apple folks trying gnome/KDE/windows. People are getti…

> Intuitiveness is just what you are used to at this point. No, it is not. The word "intuitive" is defined by Merriam-Webster as "readily learned or understood" and "knowable by intuition". If the UI is not one of these things, then it is not "intuitive" in the general sense of the word.

I think their point is that what is readily learned or understood (and one's own intuition) are both informed by what they're already used to.

So many of us are used to the UI of one or more ecosystems that you're going to report on the subjective intuitiveness of any UI based on what we're already used to.

For all intents and purposes intuition is subjective and so is "intuitive".

There's value in building things that are "intuitive" to people who are used to existing UIs/systems _even if those existing UIs are bad_. There is also value (harder earned, for sure) in ignoring those existing patterns and bringing something truly better to the table...but you'll have people CORRECTLY pointing out that it's counter intuitive along the way.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Unintuitive things about macOS: the bar at the top is used both for app-context menus and for system-context settings. Wuh?

If you want to scan something, you have to go via system settings instead of running an app. Wuh?

They keep breaking drivers for important things, especially USB things, especially if it so happens that they decide to sell them themselves (like external keyboards). About a year ago I had an issue where previously functional USB UART drivers stopped working, result being I had to buy a Linux laptop for firmware work. Then, just last week, my Cherry mechanical keyboard stopped working, the windows key had previously functioned seamlessly as 'command' but ceased to do so. No amount of fiddling seemed to fix it. At this point I'll never buy another Apple device.

Fixing anything hardwareish requires remembering undocumented key combinations at boot time.

No rollback support on config changes.

One could go on...

Re: KDE beats macOS

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People tend to forget MacOS is BSD under the hood, not a Linux distribution. So the way it handles installation software is going to be different. I personally think the way BSD handles software is better, Linux blurs the line between 3rd party software and system dependencies and that causes all kinds of issues when it’s time to update or remove stuff.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Wouls you care to elaborate a bit as to why you would care if the OS you are running os Windows?

Not him but I share the same opinion. I've recently tried Windows 10 and 11 and the thing is trying to make you sign in to a Microsoft.com service from the moment you finish installing it. Dark patterns everywhere during the setup and in order to create a local account you must do weird stuff like inserting invalid Microsoft.com accountname or disconnecting the computer from the network during setup. Are you sure you…

> Not him but I share the same opinion. I've recently tried Windows 10 and 11 and the thing is trying to make you sign in to a Microsoft.com service from the moment you finish installing it.

I'm sorry, but doesnt MacOS do this too? You can skip it in both MacOS and Windows but MacOS will prompt you later to create an account.

MacOS also wants you into its "iCloud" service badly....

Re: KDE beats macOS

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I agree, but will add that you can avoid most of the consumer-focused adware junk by just installing Windows Server 2022. E.G., it is compulsory that the first account is a local account named "Administrator". Overall, it is a very minimal default install, with the focus being on reducing the attack surface.

According to https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/pricing a license costs 500 dollars. Linux is free as in beer and MacOS is a free complementary feature if you have the proper hardware.

Windows is free. I refuse to believe you actually pay or have paid for it before. Mac is free sure, only with the purchase of a $100000k MacBook.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Intuitiveness is just what you are used to at this point. If you've been in the Apple ecosystem your whole life, then their UX seems intuitive to you. If you haven't, then it makes absolutely no sense. I first touched an apple device in my 20's, there was nothing intuitive about it. I couldn't do anything and was extremely frustrated. I'm sure the same applies to apple folks trying gnome/KDE/windows. People are getti…

I actually switched to an iphone around 2.5 years ago since teams wouldn't run properly on my old android and the offerings from my company instead of iphone (huawei and samsung) didn't really appeal to me. Now 2.5 years later I switched back due to not being able to make friends with the apple UI despite trying for that long. It feels so constrained and inconsistent to me. The pixel phone I got now is a dream in com…

> The keyboard just works, sharing between apps just works. Keepass didn't really integrate with ios, in android I can select it as my own "autofill provider". I can have firefox with ublock.

Password managers work without any issues, I'm using Bitwarden happily.

Sharing between the apps is also a thing? I'm not sure what exactly do you mean but I have zero issues navigating, copying stuff between the apps, the only issue is with Google Photos when you remove them from local storage, as sharing in iOS won't detect those unless you manually download them again or share from within Google Photos. Learned to live with that.

I agree with lack of uBlock for Firefox, though new Safari has 'mods' and Hyperweb helps.

Keyboard is something I genuinely don't understand. How a company the size of Apple can make such a shit keyboard app is beyond me. It's nearly impossible to use if you speak two languages, their dictionaries are terrible and general feel is generally lackluster. I switched to GBoard which I like, even though Google doesn't care enough to fix few bugs and clear performance issues in it.

It's funny you call iOS UI inconsistent while most iOS apps are way better designed, actually adhere to styling guidelines and are much more intuitive to use once you get used to iOS gestures and behaviours. Unlike Android where it's literally wild west and Material Design changes so quickly that no sane developer is able to keep up with new 'redesigns'.

I switched from Android over a year ago as an ex-fanboy(I also worked as an Android Developer for a while) and I would never come back. Amount of shit that constantly goes wrong in Android ecosystem is baffling, while Google got ahold of permission system, insane battery degradation is still my main issue. Even though I loved my S9, barely a year in it wouldn't even hold a day on a single charge. Even after battery replacement, it just barely did. Android is so poorly optimized that background services can do practically anything they want. People learned how to work around Doze years ago, hell, I made commercial products that did exactly that. Apple's politic regarding background use is way more pro-user. The same thing happens to every Android phone I ever had, it works great for a year, then battery and overall performance goes to hell slowly over the next year, until it's just annoying to use. I actually considered buying a Pixel device but Google is clearly too small of a company to offer their products in more than few countries and the amount of issues on release made me go with Apple. I'll pay premium if the thing just works and does what I want it to.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Beats macOS ...at what? Serious, not facetious, question. The only answer I can think of is "running on non-Apple hardware"

Being usable out of the box? With KDE I don't need to go find a 3rd party app for decent window snapping, I don't need a 3rd party app to put files on my Android phone over USB, I don't need a 3rd party app to have the trackpad and scroll wheel mouse directions be "natural" and "unnatural" at the same time, I don't need a 3rd party app to be able to use the volume buttons to change the volume level of a sound device…

Let me explain why the window snapping thing is a problem. https://patents.google.com/patent/US9239667B2/en?q=window+si...

It's such a dumb complaint. OSS is just infringing the patent, that's it. That is why no other commercial OS has it out of the box.

As for the rest, sure...but like a lot of them are just silly complaints. Android uses Microsoft's PNP connectivity for data transfer. Once again...OSS.. The Scroll wheel direction thing is eh, personally I use both natural but I get it. The volume button thing has to do something with the display. I have a number of displays including a TCL TV that do have volume control. But fair. That 3rd party bit is a little silly and based on software acquisition preference, Windows also falls into that. I would rather a system that doesn't assume access to user data, it prevents malicious scripts on normal user's machines from just reading data willy-nilly. The accessibility thing is a little silly and needs better names on Apple's part but needing to give software permission is a strong security model.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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These are all very specific complaints. By the numbers, does KDE answer the question "how do I interact with a school/volunteer/work .docx/.ppt/.xlsx file without likely breaking it?

That's a pretty specific complaint. You can use the web version of Office. You can install Office under Wine. I personally have Office 2010 installed on Linux. It works.

lol I love how the specific complaint is what 99% of businesses do in practice while the OP post complains about coping an R binary.
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