Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

nbcnews.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

151–160 of 700 posts

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

#151

Post by hedora »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #75
hitpointdrew wrote: post #4

Seems like this should have been a requirement before any emergency use authorization, and certainly before any mandates. The fact that this research is just now being done ought to be enough to immediately revoke the FDA emergency use authorizations and pull the product from the shelves. The covid vaccines have been a complete and utter disaster at every level. The erosion of trust in the institutions that are suppo…

Isn't he risk of myocarditis actually higher if you get infected with covid compared with getting a covid vaccine? https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-...

Yes. In particular, the contents of the mRNA vaccines are a subset of what a covid infection produces.

The anti-vax stance is similar to the claims that tightly regulated nicotine vapes are worse than high tar cigarettes. (Except that you can just choose to not smoke, of course.)

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

#152

Post by weberer »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #75
hitpointdrew wrote: post #4

Seems like this should have been a requirement before any emergency use authorization, and certainly before any mandates. The fact that this research is just now being done ought to be enough to immediately revoke the FDA emergency use authorizations and pull the product from the shelves. The covid vaccines have been a complete and utter disaster at every level. The erosion of trust in the institutions that are suppo…

Isn't he risk of myocarditis actually higher if you get infected with covid compared with getting a covid vaccine? https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-...

Why did you ask that as a question if you have the answer right there?

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

#154

Post by hitpointdrew »

selectodude wrote: post #32
hitpointdrew wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to this study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/ there is no increase in Myocarditis cases among unvaccinated people who have contracted Covid-19. This study tracked 196,992 people which is a huge number, so the data here is quite good and clear. Contracting Covid-19 does not put you at increased risk for Myocarditis, the same cannot be said when evaluating a population that simply received the vacci…

A more recent one disagrees. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA....

From your study:

>In 42 842 345 people receiving at least 1 dose of vaccine, 21 242 629 received 3 doses, and 5 934 153 had SARS-CoV-2 infection before or after vaccination. Myocarditis occurred in 2861 (0.007%) people, with 617 events 1 to 28 days after vaccination. Risk of myocarditis was increased in the 1 to 28 days after a first dose of ChAdOx1 (incidence rate ratio, 1.33 [95% CI, 1.09–1.62]) and a first, second, and booster dose of BNT162b2 (1.52 [95% CI, 1.24–1.85]; 1.57 [95% CI, 1.28–1.92], and 1.72 [95% CI, 1.33–2.22], respectively) but was lower than the risks after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test before or after vaccination (11.14 [95% CI, 8.64–14.36] and 5.97 [95% CI, 4.54–7.87], respectively).

BEFORE OR AFTER VACCINATION.

Every single person in that study was vaccinated, some of them caught covid (either before or after being vaccinated), some people did not catch covid at all. The people that were vaccinated and contracted covid fared the worst. There is no un-vaccinated group that caught covid and never took the vaccine at all in this study.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

#155

Post by vixen99 »

nmilo wrote: post #92
selectodude wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.... Pick your poison, then.

> Overall, the risk of myocarditis is greater after SARS-CoV-2 infection than after COVID-19 vaccination and remains modest after sequential doses including a booster dose of BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine. However, the risk of myocarditis after vaccination is higher in younger men, particularly after a second dose of the mRNA-1273 vaccine.

An Israeli study reported here: https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/07/08/no-increase-myocarditi... [‘The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 Unvaccinated Patients—A Large Population-Based Study’.] finds “no increase in incidence of myocarditis” after Covid infection in unvaccinated adults.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

#156

Post by sharken »

enragedcacti wrote: post #149
no_butterscotch wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. I'm curious about this. In my world COVID is over now. I live in San Francisco. Nobody I know is getting boosters or is worried about it anymore. Where do you live and what are the circumstances like there that you're considering getting your "next" one? (you've been boosted before?).

Not the OP but: Covid definitely isn't over, it's just that we've gotten better at treating it and people have decided that they are over it. It is still killing almost 2000 people a week in the US and it's very possible that we will see a huge spike in that as we get further into winter. the "next" booster is referring to the updated vaccine that more effectively targets the dominant "Omicron" variant.

At least provide some facts to the 2000 people a week claim.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

#157

Post by lob_it »

arein3 wrote: post #28
sfusato wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's plenty of would-do-it-again testimonials from a hospital bed caused by a vaccine injury/side effect. There's a famous Mark Twain quote that comes to mind.

A theory proposed by Charles Darwin comes to mind.

Was that "empathy equals manufactured crisis cubed"?

Science is hard :p

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

#158

Post by fhrow4484 »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #15

Cool, now what's the incidence of Myocarditis and similar after COVID-19 infection? It's possible that such a vaccine causes a number of such cases, and still prevents a much larger number of them. In fact it also seems to be true in this case. Discussing the vaccines out of this context, is scaremongering. You're much better off taking your chances with the COVID-19 vaccine than taking your chances unvaccinated. htt…

> Cool, now what's the incidence of Myocarditis and similar after COVID-19 infection?

Which mechanism would cause myocarditis when you get COVID 19?

The 2nd link in nradov's comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33599243) states:

> These findings indicate that introducing the mRNA vaccine into the circulatory system can lead to acute cardiac inflammation. The mechanism behind this requires further elucidation. However, it is speculated that this may be due to the pro-inflammatory properties of lipid nanoparticles (LNPs) used as carriers for mRNA.

The actual COVID-19 infection doesn't have any lipid nanoparticles, does it?

Agree with overall sentiment of your comment though: the overall real-bad symptoms caused by an infection when fully unvaccinated are probably not worth skipping vaccine.

The clinical trials in op's article as well as nradov's comment on "aspiration" to reduce myocarditis risk during vaccination are both important topics to explore.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

#160

Post by jzb »

ivraatiems wrote: post #65

I would just like us all to stop pretending that any of one's fear of COVID or skepticism of vaccines or distrust of whoever or whatever is about rational calculated risks. It's about how we feel, so let's talk about that. Look, everyone is scared of doing something until they're scared of not doing it. Everyone distrusts government until they trust it, and distrusts pharma until they trust it. Some people will wear…

"Can we just admit this isn't about logic or statistics, and never was? It was always a persuasion game either way."

Kind of? The fact is that we've turned into a society where we can't even be unified in trying to prevent disease. If "the left" is for vaccines, masking, social distancing, etc. then "the right" has to immediately be against it.

I don't recall any of my friends or family needing persuasion at all. They believed in the science and were willing to adapt as we learned new things about COVID (e.g. around masking and social distancing). When vaccines were becoming available I know my circle spent time looking over what information we could find about which ones were better, side effects, etc., but were onboard with vaccine risk being better than COVID.

The FOX crowd, OTOH, went looking to scare people off vaccines and made not masking a point of pride. It was tribalism, pure and simple. If it were a persuasion game you might have seen a lot more diversity in who was for/against the vaccines.

30 years ago if we'd faced COVID (at least in the U.S.) and had the vaccines available, I think we'd have fared far better. People who couldn't agree on much else could've come together in the face of a deadly disease. Persuasion, and logic, are out the window.

Post reply on HN