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Why is CCS so absolutely enormous and so technically limited? What's the story behind how it got so bad? There must be some kind of trade-off Tesla took that CCS didn't?
> technically limited Is it? I can go to a 350kW charger with CCS1. What's the max for a supercharger? 250kW?
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The T.C. video is very thorough and worth a watch for all EV related shennanigans.
That's most T.C. videos I've seen. Often niche topics but I sat* through (and enjoyed) 20 minutes of why an obscure can opener is superior than the mainstream ones.
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The tesla plug has a decade of successful heavy use behind it, and it doesn't have a history of failing despite being the most used ev charging system and plug in the world (comparing to the ccs standards around the us and the world). You'll need to provide some references to point to tesla problems. On the other hand I have a brand new us ccs car and every time I go to a public charger it's an open question whether…
I may be mistaken, but I was under the impression that the vast majority of 'faulty' chargers are in fact issues with software. Ie. Network connection down. Car not registered. Card terminal broken. Etc.
But yeah, it's probably a lot of software issues. Strangely I do not hear from Europe that there are problems like here. I don't hear about 'charger is broken or won't charge' in Europe when people use tesla chargers (which are on the euro-ccs standard just like tesla cars there). Can anyone chime in? I'm in the US.
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This implies they didn't, which is false. CCS was released slightly before the Model S (first to use Tesla's connector). Both were developed at the same time. At the time, there was no viable alternative for Tesla. Now, there is no reason to revert to a significantly subpar option.
Yes there is - because their proprietary (until today) plug is not the industry standard.
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Tesla Superchargers outnumber all other HVDC chargers in every state, usually by a factor of 2. Maybe you're thinking of the chargers that use the J1772 connector?[1] Those charge via AC, and every Tesla comes with an adapter for them. Tesla also sells a CCS adapter in case you want to use other high voltage chargers such as Electrify America.[2] Though honestly, other charging networks are a shitshow. A friend of mi…
No, I'm not thinking of J1772 chargers. I'm thinking of CCS chargers. We're talking about two different things. You are talking about the count of chargers. Tesla has a higher quantity of chargers, yes. However, their chargers are concentrated; a single charging location has 30+ chargers. This drives their high charger count numbers. CCS chargers are more geographically widespread. There are more locations with CCS c…
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No, I'm not thinking of J1772 chargers. I'm thinking of CCS chargers. We're talking about two different things. You are talking about the count of chargers. Tesla has a higher quantity of chargers, yes. However, their chargers are concentrated; a single charging location has 30+ chargers. This drives their high charger count numbers. CCS chargers are more geographically widespread. There are more locations with CCS c…
While there is value to distribution, having only 3 plugs where any number could be full or non-functional upon arrival easily ruins a whole trip.
That said, we've so far not had any issues with that in the last two years; while sometimes only a subset of chargers at a location have been working, it's never been zero, and we've rarely had to wait in line.
Maybe we've been lucky. Or maybe Oregon is special. But in the face of reliable chargers, I prefer a smaller, widespread count over larger numbers in a concentrated location.
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I don’t know that this is “instead of.” That isn’t stated anywhere. Tesla has also committed to building Superchargers with CCS connectors.
> I don’t know that this is “instead of.” That isn’t stated anywhere. this is correct, I am just assuming. > Tesla has also committed to building Superchargers with CCS connectors. This has happened in some European countries, but as far as the US, it remains all talk; the large amount of Tesla superchargers everywhere remain unavailable for those of us with CCS vehicles. This move seems very much like intended to ta…
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases...
That phrasing does leave a lot of wiggle room but it doesn’t sound like just continuing to make Superchargers with the Tesla connector.
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Tesla Superchargers outnumber all other HVDC chargers in every state, usually by a factor of 2. Maybe you're thinking of the chargers that use the J1772 connector?[1] Those charge via AC, and every Tesla comes with an adapter for them. Tesla also sells a CCS adapter in case you want to use other high voltage chargers such as Electrify America.[2] Though honestly, other charging networks are a shitshow. A friend of mi…
No, I'm not thinking of J1772 chargers. I'm thinking of CCS chargers. We're talking about two different things. You are talking about the count of chargers. Tesla has a higher quantity of chargers, yes. However, their chargers are concentrated; a single charging location has 30+ chargers. This drives their high charger count numbers. CCS chargers are more geographically widespread. There are more locations with CCS c…
Also while Plugshare may show more dots on a map, that doesn't correspond to useful charging. Non-Tesla charging stations are notoriously inconvenient, unreliable, and slow to charge. That's why my friend with the e-tron rents a gas car if he wants to go more than a few hundred miles. This is borne out again and again in tests. When MKBHD tested a Tesla and a Mustang Mach-E, the Mach-E itself was fine but the charging infrastructure was unreliable.[1] The Mustang was delayed over 6 hours due to bad charging.
I've put almost 30,000 miles on my car and I've never had an issue with a supercharger. You just plug in and it charges. You don't need to install any apps or enter your credit card info. And if for some crazy reason I can't use a supercharger, I have adapters for the other connectors.
If you want the electric vehicle that can charge in the most places, get a Tesla.
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They don't standardize US and Europe because US is CCS1 and Europe is CCS2.
Ugh god why. Didn't realize that. Rest of the point stands.
But it doesn't matter. The number of vehicles taken either way is negligible. In the old days, you had to change the miles/km speedometer to the other one when you took you car with you as you emigrated. Buying a charge adapter is easier.
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They were reacting to the terms being used, not introducing them. Read the parent.
1. The parent was talking about a plug not vehicles. 2. The parent of that parent was also by zzzeek, talking about trashing vehicles. And that was a top level comment.