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Re: Hey Google, thanks for making my daughter cry.

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This is why you should take control of your own data, and not let your data in the hands of a company. Buy your own email address, set up your own blog self hosted.

What would you suggest for comparable calendar and contact management software?

I think Zimbra is a common suggestion, but I'm not sure how comparable it is.

Re: Hey Google, thanks for making my daughter cry.

#152
post #97
post #41

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That is not entirely fair, automation is the only way to admin millions of users and when nonsensical factors like COPPA get introduced to the system this happens. And I don't think that they did anything wrong here considering the consequences of not complying with the law.

Disney manages to provide good customer service for the millions of real-life humans that walk its theme parks annually. Google's problem is not that it can't be done, but that it's unprofitable to provide customer service when your business model consists of making a few pennies here and there.

That's a terrible analogy and if you want to go there, Disney has made plenty of little girls cry every day.

Re: Hey Google, thanks for making my daughter cry.

#153
post #66

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COPPA explicitly provides for a parental consent mechanism; Google simply doesn't choose to implement it. Everybody else implements it just fine.

Everyone else? Hardly. Facebook doesn't implement it. Twitter doesn't implement it. MSN doesn't. Pretty much all forums out there require you to "verify" that you're older than 13 to post. Google is hardly the only site to judge the consent mechanism exception to be too burdensome and unprofitable to implement.

Microsoft's Live ID absolutely supports this when signing up for, among other things, Hotmail accounts, Messenger accounts, etc. It follows the same basic process as Yahoo, including the $0.50 charge that's partially donated to charity.

Re: Hey Google, thanks for making my daughter cry.

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The distinction is very important: a customer is someone who pays you money. To Google and Facebook, users are just parameters to be optimized.

Concur: To lose a customer is to lose some chunk of revenue. To lose a user is to lose some chunk of page views to be sold. A very important distinction. You can offset shed users by adjusting the product to generate more page views, as publishers well know. Lose too many customers , though, and that's a lot of money that's simply not hitting your pocket anymore. With that in mind, I'm pretty sure Netflix would not e…

I disagree with it. If I am conducting a free for all art exhibition (no selling of arts, just for people to see), then the visitors are not my customers. They are just viewers. I could have advertisers or sponsors for that program and someone could even be paying me based on the number of visitors. That does not make the visitors my customers.

On a side note- even if I lose my staff, I lose some chunk or revenue, that does not make my staff my customer.

Re: Hey Google, thanks for making my daughter cry.

#155
post #41

B-b-but Google made this fancy video advertisement about how I can give my infant daughter a Gmail account and write to her as she grows up! Does it only work if she never uses it? You've gotta wait until you can hold a bat mitzvah to hand it off to her? This kind of chicanery is why I can only chuckle when Google announces new initiatives that require significant customer service, like selling telephones or providin…

That is not entirely fair, automation is the only way to admin millions of users and when nonsensical factors like COPPA get introduced to the system this happens. And I don't think that they did anything wrong here considering the consequences of not complying with the law.

So here's where the problem occurs with the law and Google's business model.

Android...... Where does it say anywhere that Android devices can only be sold to those old enough not to be covered by COPPA?

Re: Hey Google, thanks for making my daughter cry.

#156
post #97

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Disney manages to provide good customer service for the millions of real-life humans that walk its theme parks annually. Google's problem is not that it can't be done, but that it's unprofitable to provide customer service when your business model consists of making a few pennies here and there.

That's a terrible analogy and if you want to go there, Disney has made plenty of little girls cry every day.

I'm addressing the claim that automation is the only way to service millions of users. Whether people cry despite having the ability to receive personalized service is orthogonal to the point.

Re: Hey Google, thanks for making my daughter cry.

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It really feels like stone age. There are 13 year old kids out there who can write a web and mail server, yet could get into trouble for using them.

In a way, this is a useful life lesson: sometimes the most reasonable thing to do is to lie to unreasonable institutions.

And thereby commit a misdemeanor under some interpretations of the CFAA.

Re: Hey Google, thanks for making my daughter cry.

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Everyone else? Hardly. Facebook doesn't implement it. Twitter doesn't implement it. MSN doesn't. Pretty much all forums out there require you to "verify" that you're older than 13 to post. Google is hardly the only site to judge the consent mechanism exception to be too burdensome and unprofitable to implement.

Microsoft's Live ID absolutely supports this when signing up for, among other things, Hotmail accounts, Messenger accounts, etc. It follows the same basic process as Yahoo, including the $0.50 charge that's partially donated to charity.

Microsoft's implementation has the fun feature that all mail to the "kid" needs to be approved by he parent. Very fun if a college student puts in the wrong age which triggers those notices to go to the admin account for he college. You need to call customer support to fix this. This was not a fun call.

Re: Hey Google, thanks for making my daughter cry.

#160
post #48

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What? That's nonsense - look at the hours of merchandise promotion across dozens of channels. Toys is billions of dollars per year.

If the parents are watching TV with them yes. Is a parent going to look at untargeted (because of COPPA) gmail.com advertisements while their kid bangs out the odd email? No. The point of targeted advertising from Google is to show you a relevant ad during the few times that you use their app. With COPPA, all of this goes out the window.

I assure you that even a child is capable of remembering a toy they saw on TV without parental help and, loudly in fact, proclaiming their knowledge as they pass said toy in Target.
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