All of this is so funny in general. It seems possible that Twitter might go the way of Tumblr in that goofy policy changes alienate the core userbase. I couldn’t imagine betting billions of dollars on a property that could basically just become a valuable-ish domain in the future.
Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said
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Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said
#152I'd be pissed off if I were a TSLA stock owner. Is Twitter paying Tesla to contract out these employees for their work? Otherwise, it's tons of thousands of dollars Tesla is pissing away on behalf of the CEO's side-hustle.
I'm not pissed and I am a stockholder. To me it makes a lot of sense. I doubt they are reviewing the entire code base. It seems like Elon is particularly interested in the automated systems that control content and detect bots. To that end, Tesla has a lot of expertise in AI systems.
That's absolutely insane.
Tesla employees are paid by Tesla to do work for Tesla.
Freelancing during the workday at Twitter, SpaceX, or any of the other company just because Musk is the owner or CEO is basically wage theft by Musk.
How would you feel if he had Tesla assembly line workers renovate his house?
Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said
#153I'd be pissed off if I were a TSLA stock owner. Is Twitter paying Tesla to contract out these employees for their work? Otherwise, it's tons of thousands of dollars Tesla is pissing away on behalf of the CEO's side-hustle.
Um... free PR for TSLA which helps with recruiting for both organizations?
What is the Venn diagram of engineers who are aware of who is auditing Twitter, but not aware of Tesla? Or is the idea that people would want to join Tesla because they'll be asked to do code reviews of companies whose code bases they don't know?
Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said
#154If someone completely new to my codebase came along and tried to evaluate my code I'd laugh. You can't jump in and "evaluate" without knowing context and being familiar with the features.
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#155I went in assuming that this was going to be a hit piece. It's not quite that bad, but there's elements like that. I have no idea who this "former Tesla engineer" is or what their biases and motivations are, or how the article authors found them.
It seems perfectly reasonable for Elon to bring in some people he knows he can trust to help evaluate how Twitter actually works. I presume he's competent enough to do any necessary i-dotting and t-crossing to make it legal. I don't see anything wrong with printing out code either - IMO sometimes it's a handy way to be able to explore lots of code with complex interactions, since you can have a bunch of pages at once and arrange them however you like.
It's pretty clear to me that there are elements of the elite media-political complex that are terrified of Elon purchasing Twitter because he's not part of their crowd and they won't be able to control him and through him what is and isn't allowed on Twitter. IMO all articles about this should be read with that in mind.
Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said
#156I’m still looking for a concise term for “someone who claims to be an expert but immediately reveals beyond any doubt that they have no clue what they’re saying, simply by opening their mouth on the subject.” Having Tesla engineers over to review Twitter code is definitely that. It’s ridiculous.
It's just another thing to add to the pile that should make anybody question why on earth people think he is a genius. The mythos he has created around himself is comical and it's mind-blowing that anyone actually believes it. He literally spends his entire day trolling on social media, yet people think he's out there solving the world's greatest engineering problems.
If nothing else house trolling on social media helps to hype up a dedicated fanbase which drives up the multiple on the stock value and allows to hire people to work on moonshot projects. Several of those projects of his would have never gotten funded in more conventional companies and even if they had, the funding would likely have gotten cut when no immediate, monetary success was visible. All this is only possible because of Musk's confidence/arrogance and his ability to take others with him.
Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said
#157I'd be pissed off if I were a TSLA stock owner. Is Twitter paying Tesla to contract out these employees for their work? Otherwise, it's tons of thousands of dollars Tesla is pissing away on behalf of the CEO's side-hustle.
You'd arguably have a case that Musk is not acting in the interest of Tesla and is using his Tesla position to enrich himself rather than the Tesla company. Exactly what the "CEO is supposed to serve shareholders" is all about.
The counter argument is that Tesla has created more shareholder value over the past few years than any other single company, and in fact more than a ton of whole market segments. I mean, investors know he's sort of a loon, this is hardly the weirdest thing he done[1], and they're still on board.
And FWIW: if you really want to structure this in a shareholder-friendly way, Twitter can just pay Tesla a consulting fee. Given that they're a private company now, that's almost literally as simple as just writing a check.
[1] I mean, seriously, if "I'll buy TWTR for $40B!" didn't spook the market, you think they're really going to freak out about a few hundred hours of engineering time?
Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said
#158I dunno why any Twitter engineers would be really trying that hard right now. Passively destroying Twitter from within by not trying, and trying to make a billionare lose 44 billion dollars is a significantly more fun and interesting challenge than making Twitter a better product.
Twitter engineers already aren’t trying, unless you’re counting under flow or something HN meta to increase output while reducing effort.
Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not pissed and I am a stockholder. To me it makes a lot of sense. I doubt they are reviewing the entire code base. It seems like Elon is particularly interested in the automated systems that control content and detect bots. To that end, Tesla has a lot of expertise in AI systems.
Tesla and Twitter both have experience in AI in the sense that Exxon and Unilever both have experience in chemistry.
Hey now, it would be perfectly cromulent for Unilever and Exxon chemists see real value in a collaboration around, say, a higher-efficiency fracking solution.
Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said
#160> One former Tesla engineer, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to candidly describe the matter but was not involved, said Tesla engineers would have trouble capably assessing Twitter’s code. Distributed systems, the large-scale and spread-out network that Twitter is composed of, are not the automaker’s specialty, the person said. > The “idea of Elon being flanked by his Tesla engineers reviewing Twitter code is…
> Distributed systems, the large-scale and spread-out network that Twitter is composed of, are not the automaker’s specialty, the person said. You can giggle along with the anonymous source who wasn't involved if you wish but Tesla collects a rather large amount of telemetry and has all manner of micro services crap internally just like Twitter. I imagine the Twitter codebase itself is a farcical Rube Goldberg machin…
> For an unfathomable amount of the people working at twitter the answer will be zero lines of code.
And what’s the average salary of these people? $15k/mo? $20k/mo?