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macOS 13 Ventura review

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Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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It works well only in theory. Almost no apps works on ios9 anymore, so you can't run netflix, hbo, even browsers are useless because certificates aren't updated - that's why i wanted to just use it as a homekit server, but you can't do this either. ie, the processor is just fine for doing all of the above, but slowly all functionality has been lost.

Right, the argument is that the hardware is still functional, but due to the walled garden nature of the ecosystem, it can no longer be used. They are more like appliances and less like general purpose computing devices.

This has been Apple's vision for quite sometime. They want to control the full lifecycle of their devices. Yes they are exactly more like "consoles" or "appliances" and less like full personal computers.

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Great. What portion of apps would you say still run on iOS 12? Because most of the top 10... don't.

Sure they do; just not the most current versions. The App Store only sends versions you can actually run.

Sure. And "Please upgrade your version of Netflix|Hulu|Spotify|YouTube in order to connect."?

I'm sure that will be considered the app developer's fault, because -they- are expected to handle backwards compatibility, since Apple won't.

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Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links. I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i cou…

Yeah, I am a little disappointed that this is the first upgrade that I cannot get with my late 2015 iMac. I'd use the legacy patcher perhaps, but I don't see much on this new version that I would want, so i'd rather keep things offical for now, to avoid any issues. Yes, I get that this machine is 7 years old, but I cannot tell from using it, everything is extremely fast, I upspecced it when I bought it and maxed out…

I wonder how well linux runs on the range of phased out macs

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Yeah, I am a little disappointed that this is the first upgrade that I cannot get with my late 2015 iMac. I'd use the legacy patcher perhaps, but I don't see much on this new version that I would want, so i'd rather keep things offical for now, to avoid any issues. Yes, I get that this machine is 7 years old, but I cannot tell from using it, everything is extremely fast, I upspecced it when I bought it and maxed out…

I wonder how well linux runs on the range of phased out macs

MBP 2015 with Fedora 36 Silverblue:

* Camera didn't work.

* Sound coming out from built-in speakers was flat.

* Broadcom Wi-Fi didn't work out of the box.

Didn't spot any other issues during tests.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links. I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i cou…

I suppose it all revolves around money.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Anyone else noticed that the Preview app was tinkered with again ? Now it lost the ability to open PostScript files. This feature worked from the very beginning of Mac OSX up till Monterrey. The command line PostScript tools are still present though. Also all Ruby gems with native extensions stopped working for me, even the pre-installed system ones.

I am one of those people who still have a lot of PostScript files. I have many scientific papers from college in my collection. I know I should convert them to PDF, but it sucks that they quietly removed support for a file format that's been around for a long time.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Does anyone else dislike the "phonification" of desktop UIs? Desktop and phone use are very different, with very different screen real estate.

Yes, I hate the trend to apply mobile paradigms to a desktop OS. I will stay on Monterey for as long as I can.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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This upgrade is going to cost me a lot of money. They've dropped support for my beefy 2016 MBP. Soon enough the latest version of XCode is going to require Ventura and I won't be able to build my app. Meanwhile, Linus is only just starting the discussion to drop the 486 from the Linux kernel.

No one is forcing you to upgrade. I still have a 2008 Mac running El Capitan and I can do everything I need to do on it.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Does anyone else dislike the "phonification" of desktop UIs? Desktop and phone use are very different, with very different screen real estate.

I expected it with web apps and can almost excuse it there, but switching native desktop UIs to this format seems weird.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links. I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i cou…

> I know other companies are often worse but we really need legislation around this

The last thing we need is some crappy poorly written law that is filled with a bunch of unrelated hanger-on pork projects to appease politicians into voting for it.

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