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Re: macOS Ventura is now available

#151
how a better windows management looks like:

- show all windows of an app when switching windows (cmd+tab). currently only one window from each app is shown.

- transition period when switching windows via three fingers gesture is too long. make it snappier.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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post #63

To switch to another window, we already had Command-Tab, Mission Control, Expose (now part of Mission Control if I understand correctly), and also clicking on the icons in the Dock. And now we have Stage Manager. I had to use Windows 10 as my main workstation for a few weeks at work, and I'm starting to think windows management is – perhaps – one of the rare things Windows does better than macOS. But of course I shou…

Don't forget CMD+` that switches to another window of the same application.

option + < on german systems/keyboards. keyboard shortcuts are not very accessible to the beginner user though. When my older relatives open youtube videos in fullscreen mode, they do not find their other browser window anymore

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

#153
Apple used to feel to me like a company that sold user experiences and the hardware was a means to that end. Now it feels like an electronics company that sells consumer hardware, and the user experience is just a necessary cost to be minimized.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

#154
post #63

To switch to another window, we already had Command-Tab, Mission Control, Expose (now part of Mission Control if I understand correctly), and also clicking on the icons in the Dock. And now we have Stage Manager. I had to use Windows 10 as my main workstation for a few weeks at work, and I'm starting to think windows management is – perhaps – one of the rare things Windows does better than macOS. But of course I shou…

A fairly good description of what's (optionally) new and what hasn't changed at all.

>Apple wisely takes an ain't-broke-don't-fix-it approach to macOS's standard multitasking model in Ventura by turning Stage Manager off by default and making people go hunting for it if they want to use it. You can't change your Mac's UI in a major way by accident.

If you haven't used it, Stage Manager differs from standard macOS multitasking by offering a column of recently used apps on the side of your screen (it's the left-hand side by default, but it will switch if you've got your Dock set to use the left-hand side of your screen instead). But unlike minimizing or maximizing an app from the Dock, each "stage" can contain multiple app windows from multiple apps; switch from one stage to another, and every window on that stage will pop back up on your screen in exactly the arrangement you were using before.

Within a given stage, app windows work exactly as they do anywhere else on your Mac. You can move, resize, and rearrange them any way you want, including shoving them all the way to the edges of the screen. The recent apps column will persist on the side of the screen by default, but it will get out of the way if you move an app window over it; you can bring the apps back up by moving your cursor to the right edge of the screen.

Stage Manager integrates seamlessly with macOS's other window management systems. Do you still want to use some apps in Full Screen mode? Great—they don't appear in your recent apps tray, and you can access them with a trackpad swipe, the same as you could before. Do you like Mission Control? Also cool. Apps in your tray slide gracefully up into Mission Control mode, along with any open apps that aren't in your tray.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/macos-13-ventura-the...

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

#155
post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’d be cool if they used the iPhone built in magnets, and then display your phone stuff in the OS

Belkin’s iPhone Mount does use the magnets required by MagSafe [1]. [1]: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HQ642ZM/A/belkin-iphone-m...

But it’d be even better if the laptop lid was just magnetic!

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

#156
post #63

To switch to another window, we already had Command-Tab, Mission Control, Expose (now part of Mission Control if I understand correctly), and also clicking on the icons in the Dock. And now we have Stage Manager. I had to use Windows 10 as my main workstation for a few weeks at work, and I'm starting to think windows management is – perhaps – one of the rare things Windows does better than macOS. But of course I shou…

This. It's unacceptable that macOS still doesn't support basic window management and users have to install Tiles/Spectacles/Magnet/etc.

Those sound like advanced or niche window management tools - not ‘basic’?

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

#157

I’m usually excited about macOS releases but this one is an underwhelming update and don’t see any reason to update any time soon. Stage manager seems like a half measure to introduce better window management in macOS and it doesn’t help that it doesn’t support a keyboard only workflow, from what I can tell from the demos. Coming from i3wm, I found Yabai to be an excellent keyboard-first window manager. I do wish som…

The feature that made me jump into beta is that Shortcuts now appear in the share sheet so it’s the same experience like iOS. Much easier to create/test shortcuts on the mac

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

#158
There's a few nice quality of life features in Ventura, but MacOS really seems way down Apple's priority list nowadays.

They're using all software building resources for iOS and then just slap any reusable features on their desktop OS whenever possible. Great when it works for apps that are quite similar (e.g. messages), terrible for things that simply work very differently on a desktop OS (system settings, stage manager is pointless etc.).

Good opportunity for Windows to finally beat MacOS in UI/UX, since they don't have a mobile OS to worry about?

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

#159
post #63

To switch to another window, we already had Command-Tab, Mission Control, Expose (now part of Mission Control if I understand correctly), and also clicking on the icons in the Dock. And now we have Stage Manager. I had to use Windows 10 as my main workstation for a few weeks at work, and I'm starting to think windows management is – perhaps – one of the rare things Windows does better than macOS. But of course I shou…

Don't forget CMD+` that switches to another window of the same application.

Honestly, where Mac Window management has always shined is through the use of gestures on a touchpad.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

#160
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't know I needed this but it is surprisingly pleasant to switch apps this way, thanks. ps: I used the YP33H9AP9NFH code, so try the other ones.

Not to diminish the work put into making this workflow easier to use, but you can completely replicate this workflow (and then some) with out of the box macOS tooling by creating an "Open " script in Shortcuts, moving them into the Quick Actions folder and then jumping to System Preferences > Keyboard > Shortcuts > Services and then assigning key combinations to launch Shortcuts.app Quick Actions.

For sure you can. I had this workflow with manually added keybindings through many methods over the years: skhd, Hammerspoon, BetterTouchTool etc.

I just found that the functionality is useful enough to warrant an app that can dynamically assign these hotkeys based on the apps I use.

For example I change browsers often to test new additions. And because I have rcmd-B set to focus/launch/hide my current browser app, I can keep my muscle memory even after switching from Safari to Firefox. In rcmd I just press rcmd-ralt-B to reassign that hotkey, in previous workflows this involved editing a specific file, or opening a preferences window and finding the right setting to change.

The experimental window switching/opening using Right Option is also something very useful and really hard to replicate using default macOS tools.

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