5 Years of Pop _OS • Hacker News Board

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by myself248 » Sat, Oct 22, 2022, 2:27 PM UTC

kovac wrote: post #75

ugh123 wrote: post #63

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Hah, I ran into that same upgrade breakage a few weeks ago too! I'm still cleaning up some of the mess but was mostly back within half a day.

What kind of break is this? Is it like you can't even boot into the tty, can't get from tty to graphical environment or just your user applications stopped working?

Typically about half my applications stop working, they crash on launch. Or sometimes the machine won't even finish booting -- I'll get past the decryption password entry, it'll mount some things and then spew a thousand lines of "BPF: Invalid name" error messages and just stop there. I found if I hit Enter that I was sitting at a prompt, already logged in, but couldn't figure out what to do from there.

However, I'm an old DOS nerd so mashing keys on boot is one of the first things I try. Pop has a bootloader that let me revert to the previous something, I guess that's an older kernel? And that loaded right up and got me into the GUI and all my apps worked and everything. So from there I found the "incomplete upgrade" support page, ran those commands, and rebooted again and tried the newer kernel again, and it came right up, all fixed.

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by smoldesu » Sat, Oct 22, 2022, 2:36 PM UTC

gaganyaan wrote: post #66

smoldesu wrote: post #48

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To be fair, this would also happen on any other OS that's tracking upstream changes. It sounds like you might be using nixos-unstable, which is unfortunately susceptible to those problems. Like colordrops said though, rolling back your OS is a thankfully a cinch. Even if someone managed to rm -rf / your box, a fresh reinstall with your complete dev environment is less than 10 minutes away, if your internet connection…

I'm using 22.05 actually. I blame Gnome, as it seems to be in a perpetual state of instability.

That's a very reasonable conclusion, it is technically GNOME's fault for refusing to implement a stable extensions API after nearly a decade of breakage.

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by acidburnNSA » Sat, Oct 22, 2022, 2:45 PM UTC

mattl wrote: post #21

acidburnNSA wrote: post #14

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Yeah, I find it's totally as advertised. Charged it up for a flight last week. Worked the whole time. Turned it on in the hotel afterwards and it had 70% left. https://system76.com/laptops/lemur

How’s the rest of it? The trackpad, the sound, microphones, webcam, etc? If I had one of these would I need a bunch of external stuff to make it decent?

Depends on your tastes I guess, but for me none of them have been a problem.

I do usually have an external mouse on my desk when I'm using it at home, but the trackpad has been fine on the go. I've never noticed a problem with it.

Speakers are fine or hearing things in videos, etc., but I generally put on bluetooth headphones and/or a stereo system to listen to music. Bluetooth connects within 2 seconds of me turning on my Bose headphones. I think a lot of people don't like the speakers on this thing, and they're admittedly not as good as my VCR-sized Dell 2011 XPS with built-in minisubwoofer.

Webcam works great, but won't win any awards.

Screen brightness is good. Look and feel is good. Weight is excellent. Keyboard backlight is great. USB-C charging is great. Endurance seems good (I've had mine daily driving since 2020).

The only issue I've had was early one when I typed one key sequence too fast, sometimes there would be an extra letter thrown in there, but they fixed it in firmware.

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by JustSomeNobody » Sat, Oct 22, 2022, 2:56 PM UTC

q-base wrote: post #135

Are there any advantages of running Pop_Os instead of Ubuntu? I have an X1 Carbon Gen 9 and have had zero issues with 20.04 and latest upgrading to 22.04.

Create a VM and install it, see if you like it. It's based on Ubuntu/Debian, so it's not that different to Ubuntu proper. I like it, but to each their own.

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by fsflover » Sat, Oct 22, 2022, 3:00 PM UTC

bananamerica wrote: post #128

thisiswrongggg wrote: post #80

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I'm curious. With all these debian-based distros, why people don't just use debian? I mean it has to be sturdier than the downstream distros.

Debian never seemed to correctly recognize my wireless cards in multiple machines, even with the non-free ISOs

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33055100

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by JustSomeNobody » Sat, Oct 22, 2022, 3:01 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #67

And this is why the Linux desktop is domed to be a VM inside other OSes, or filled with Electron apps. Gtk, Qt, XFCE, GNOME and KDE applications will look out of place in the new desktop, and most likely they will never create a Rust based set of frameworks that can match the above ones on features, development tooling, and extensibility points for desktop developers.

Everything is "domed" to be filled with Electron apps because developer have chosen that to be the easiest/laziest* thing to do.

* Some of you will get the reference.

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by forgotpwd16 » Sat, Oct 22, 2022, 3:20 PM UTC

The additions Pop!_OS has made are nice and looking forward to upcoming COSMIC but still it's basically an Ubuntu remix, right?

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by smoldesu » Sat, Oct 22, 2022, 3:30 PM UTC

akagusu wrote: post #130

Pop_OS was great with Pop_Shell. It was a very pleasant experience; it was not perfect but could be polished. But they got NIH* syndrome and started this COSMIC desktop; UI changed, the whole experience changed, more bugs ruin our lives. And then they got "Let's rebuild everything in Rust" fever and the great experience of Pop_OS + Pop_Shell was lost forever. I understand the needs of creating unique experience for a…

Pop is still building on top of GNOME for COSMIC, they're just re-writing significant portions of the code to create an original desktop. Honestly, I think this was the right move. The community needs a central GNOME fork to tinker on, and Pop can be the catalyst for those developments if they play their cards right.

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by nix23 » Sat, Oct 22, 2022, 3:35 PM UTC

dm319 wrote: post #107

thisiswrongggg wrote: post #80

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I'm curious. With all these debian-based distros, why people don't just use debian? I mean it has to be sturdier than the downstream distros.

Debian is a pain! I just tried installing it on a laptop. During installation it points out it can't find a wifi driver and do I have it to hand? I didn't and I don't know where to find it. It says I can use ethernet, but the ethernet wasn't close to me at the time and laptop's battery was shot so I couldn't move. I proceed without internet. I google how to install non-free firmware after the fact, and find that ther…

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-in...

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by ekianjo » Sat, Oct 22, 2022, 3:41 PM UTC

nu11ptr wrote: post #35

ekianjo wrote: post #22

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The fact that they include flatpaks together with normal packages is confusing though. They appear just the same in the pop_OS store and there are many duplicates because of that. Very inconsistent behavior for installation: flatpaks require no specific rights but normal packages require sudo password. Not a good UX in that regard.

While I would prefer more debs personally, the flatpaks are clearly marked as such in the store

Not at all. Some are, some are not. (I am using Pop_OS on one of my computers, so I know).