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Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Do you mean you leave them down to make the car seem less desirable, or to demonstrate that the trunk is empty?

Probably the latter. Also it's probably a Tesla 3 that he has.

Yes the latter. Its not a tesla, nor is it particularly nice / flashy. Not that 4 broken windows would be justified either way.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Without comparing to other high density cities for basic theft, I don't really find this that useful. :( To wit, in Seattle we had our car broken into once. We also had a habit of forgetting the car keys /on top of the car/, such that we would have said we live in a very very safe place. Despite the time the car was broken into. When I lived in Atlanta, the general practice was not to lock your car, so that they woul…

I live in Boston, which is a similar size and population to SF, and it's extremely safe. There is some crime but even something minor like porch pirates are pretty much not a thing. There is a skid row named "Mass and Cass" which has had HBO documentaries made about it, but there are a lot of protests from citizens advocating to clean it up. At some point you need the police to arrest all these people and throw them…

You probably just live in a safe neighborhood frankly. I live in a safe hood in SF and never got anything stolen, and I've seen only one broken car window in the past year. It's night and day compared to Paris for me.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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SF is funny. If you complain about the crime, lots of long-time residents are loath to admit crime has gone up. "It's been like this since I can remember." "Born and raised fifth generation SFer, no, it's always been like this." Ideology gets the best of people and they don't want to believe. Sure, there have been nadirs before, the 80's after all industry left and only some financial services were left downtown --th…

The Mayor of San Francisco appointed a tough-on-crime prosecutor who has spoken in public in favor of reviving failed policies like the war on drugs, purged employees hired by her progressive predecessor, and canceled investigations into police misconduct. You already have the most reactionary, cuff-em-and-stuff-em prosecutor you’re likely to get in San Francisco. So if crime is still a problem, you’re going to have…

Also, SFPD’s budget was not cut in the wake of protests against police violence. There was no defunding of police in San Francisco. You can’t blame their inaction on policies that were not implemented here.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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There's an important line that SF has not crossed (yet): murder still causes police response. In a decade or so, it will be like most large Latin American cities: murder will cause same lackluster police response as currently car break-ins do. Rich will have their own security, and poor will be afraid to walk after dark.

Murders used to be so much more common 30-40 years ago in the city, just ask someone who was there back then.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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It's just part and parcel of living in a big city.

I’ve lived in NYC for 12 years. I’ve never even had a package stolen. Luck is involved only to a certain degree.

Lived in SF for 15 and never had a package stolen either. In fact UPS would leave my packages on the steps (sometimes mine sometimes someone else's) all the time. I had a check stolen before it made it to my PO box once, USPS found it and returned it to me but that's not quite the narrative people are pushing.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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post #112

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So does basically legalizing theft for under $950, choosing not to prosecute "property crimes" and so-called bail reform where most people are just released back into society after arrest. All sound good until put into practice.

So does basically legalizing theft for under $950 Yeah, no. Theft under $950 is still theft and it's still illegal. If you're whining about the felony threshold $950 puts it pretty much middle of the road compared to the other forty-nine states. Hell, the threshold in Texas is over $2,000 and has been that high since before Prop. 47 was passed. Find another boogeyman already.

Those other states still prosecute though. And although a misdemeanor isn't as big of a deal as a felony, having to go to court and deal with probation etc. acts as a huge deterrent that you don't get if something just isn't prosecuted.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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For me there's no city in the US as walkable as NYC or SF. NYC is super busy, but I just like how I could bike / walk / transit virtually anywhere within the city.

I dunno, I think Chicago is certainly more walkable and less car-dependent than SF. Then you have DC, which probably is (substantially more public transit at least) as well, and even cities like Minneapolis which are probably more amenable to walking over a larger area than the actual core, downtown SF area. SF has ok public transit for the west coast I suppose. But overall it’s quite poor compared to the east coast…

You can walk and bike in the winter in SF though, and that's a real plus.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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post #119

SF is funny. If you complain about the crime, lots of long-time residents are loath to admit crime has gone up. "It's been like this since I can remember." "Born and raised fifth generation SFer, no, it's always been like this." Ideology gets the best of people and they don't want to believe. Sure, there have been nadirs before, the 80's after all industry left and only some financial services were left downtown --th…

The Mayor of San Francisco appointed a tough-on-crime prosecutor who has spoken in public in favor of reviving failed policies like the war on drugs, purged employees hired by her progressive predecessor, and canceled investigations into police misconduct. You already have the most reactionary, cuff-em-and-stuff-em prosecutor you’re likely to get in San Francisco. So if crime is still a problem, you’re going to have…

As I point out downthread, it will take time for this to manifest. Compare and Contrast Daly City/San Mateo county. It's not like the USSR where you bring in a show team to convict and send everyone to the Gulags overnight and instill fear through marxist means. No, this takes time and effort to turn around. From Koch to Dinkins to Giuliani --it takes time to tamp down crime.

For things to straighten out support for rule-of-law has to manifest from bottom to top and back. From Citizens, to Public Figures, to Influencers, to Representatives, to Captains, to Prosecutors, DAs and the Mayor. We have some of that. You can't have situations where the police try to arrest someone and you get a mob questioning police motives and then complain when the police don't come.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Here's a good place to compare to other cities, if comparing is even a reasonable thing to do [1]. Sort by Total for Property Crime. Notably Albuquerque, Spokane, and Memphis have higher total property crime rates. But perhaps wouldn't make such an interesting headline for those in tech. Also notable that Orlando, FL is high on the list. But Irvine, CA and Tampa, FL are at the bottom of the list. Please also read the…

I can only point out anecdotally that the people I know in SF who've had their cars broken into don't even bother waiting to report it to the police because they know there's nothing to be done.
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