Earlier quoted context omitted.
> humans will continue to see the standing pillars for another 1,000 years. [Source]( https://futurism.com/the-pillars-of-creation )
The game uses an infinite speed of light when rendering the skybox, so you don't even see the Pillars from Earth, even if you would 1300 years from now. In the real world? Eh, I searched around and found conflicting information from this and other equally reputable sources. I guess the only thing I can believe definitively about the Pillars' existence is that no one we will ever know will ever know anyone who will ev…
NASA’s Webb takes star-filled portrait of Pillars of Creation
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Re: NASA’s Webb takes star-filled portrait of Pillars of Creation
#152I compressed the full PNG via Guetzli (Google's high-quality jpg compressor) which took a couple of hours (now 15MB at 84% quality), so here it is: https://github.com/dvasdekis/images/raw/master/pillars.jpg and https://mega.nz/file/BTdWSb6b#NHK9lAtGMIr1UxabLiC174ZvJWo7KS... and https://www.mediafire.com/file/n0qjxogsp203z0w/pillars.jpg/f... The original crashed Windows when set as desktop background, but this one wor…
It's better to scale it down to the display resolution instead if that's what you want to use it for.
Re: NASA’s Webb takes star-filled portrait of Pillars of Creation
#153Edit: sounds like this bit, and the journalists' info is then outdated:
> Evidence from the Spitzer Space Telescope originally suggested that the pillars in M16 may be threatened by a "past supernova". Hot gas observed by Spitzer in 2007 suggested they were already – likely – being disturbed by a supernova that exploded 8,000 to 9,000 years ago. Due to the distance the main blast of light would have reached Earth for a brief time 1,000 to 2,000 years ago. A more slowly moving, theorized, shock wave would have taken a few thousand years to move through the nebula and would have blown away the delicate pillars. However, in 2014 the pillars were imaged a second time by Hubble, in both visible light and infrared light. The images being 20 years later provided a new, detailed account of the rate of evaporation occurring within the pillars. No supernova is evidenced within them, and it is estimated in some form they still exist – and will appear for at least 100,000 more years. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_Nebula)
A somewhat different account is in the article for the Pillars themselves, with more external sources:
> Images taken with the Spitzer Space Telescope uncovered a cloud of hot dust in the vicinity of the Pillars of Creation that Nicolas Flagey accounted to be a shock wave produced by a supernova. The appearance of the cloud suggests the supernova shockwave would have destroyed the Pillars of Creation 6,000 years ago. Given the distance of roughly 7,000 light-years to the Pillars of Creation, this would mean that they have actually already been destroyed, but because light travels at a finite speed, this destruction should be visible from Earth in about 1,000 years. However, this interpretation of the hot dust has been disputed by an astronomer uninvolved in the Spitzer observations, who argues that a supernova should have resulted in stronger radio and x-ray radiation than has been observed, and that winds from massive stars could instead have heated the dust. If this is the case, the Pillars of Creation will undergo a more gradual erosion. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillars_of_Creation#Theorized_...)
TBH these mechanics are confusing to me, because one of them says the wave will reach the Pillars in a thousand years (from our viewpoint), whereas the other claims that since we don't see the disturbance now, it's all fine and dandy. Coincidentally, no sources are supplied for the latter view.
Re: NASA’s Webb takes star-filled portrait of Pillars of Creation
#154Is there a way to search it for repeating patterns to catch any shortcuts the Simulation may have taken?
Re: NASA’s Webb takes star-filled portrait of Pillars of Creation
#155I learned yesterday from a local-language article on this news, that the Pillars don't actually exist anymore, for a long time already. We'll gawk at them for several hundred years still, before we see a supernova wipe them away. Supposedly this was discovered with the Spitzer telescope somehow—I'll need to find sources in English, but at least the local publication is not on the grade of Daily Mail. Edit: sounds lik…
Re: NASA’s Webb takes star-filled portrait of Pillars of Creation
#156I compressed the full PNG via Guetzli (Google's high-quality jpg compressor) which took a couple of hours (now 15MB at 84% quality), so here it is: https://github.com/dvasdekis/images/raw/master/pillars.jpg and https://mega.nz/file/BTdWSb6b#NHK9lAtGMIr1UxabLiC174ZvJWo7KS... and https://www.mediafire.com/file/n0qjxogsp203z0w/pillars.jpg/f... The original crashed Windows when set as desktop background, but this one wor…
That image has some amount of artifacting around all the stars so I wouldn't advise you to use it. You'll get a lot more quality out of the image just downrezzing and then saving it with a higher jpeg quality setting. Also I'm not sure why Google would take hours to find a jpeg quality setting. That's a really trivial thing and should only take seconds on a desktop with something like imagemagick. If you have a faste…
That's not what they're doing at all. It's optimising the encoding step to produce smaller files at a given quality setting.
Re: NASA’s Webb takes star-filled portrait of Pillars of Creation
#157Would it be possible for them to algorithmically remove the lens artifacts? I suppose just "anything with hexagonal symmetry gets deleted". They're kinda pretty but it's sad to think that this isn't what it would actually look like if you had really good infrared eyes.
Rotate the camera and bit and take another photo?
Not that easy if "the camera" is JWST.
Re: NASA’s Webb takes star-filled portrait of Pillars of Creation
#158I learned yesterday from a local-language article on this news, that the Pillars don't actually exist anymore, for a long time already. We'll gawk at them for several hundred years still, before we see a supernova wipe them away. Supposedly this was discovered with the Spitzer telescope somehow—I'll need to find sources in English, but at least the local publication is not on the grade of Daily Mail. Edit: sounds lik…
I'd love to see more details about this. How do we know that a supernova wiped them out if the light of that event hasn't reached us yet? Is the supernova itself closer to us and have we seen it, and scientists calculated that it will wipe out the Pillars?
Re: NASA’s Webb takes star-filled portrait of Pillars of Creation
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
The game uses an infinite speed of light when rendering the skybox, so you don't even see the Pillars from Earth, even if you would 1300 years from now. In the real world? Eh, I searched around and found conflicting information from this and other equally reputable sources. I guess the only thing I can believe definitively about the Pillars' existence is that no one we will ever know will ever know anyone who will ev…
Our understanding of physics might improve and we might know (with enough confidence) before the light reaches us.
Re: NASA’s Webb takes star-filled portrait of Pillars of Creation
#160James Webb telescope is great and all, but I have to say I think the older image is more stunning and more aesthetically pleasing. Cleaner, simpler, nicer colors, more mysterious looking.