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Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by renewiltord »

nailer wrote: post #116
mrtksn wrote: post #11

Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech. I have been following self proclaimed free speech absolutists(because I too, believe in free speech but don't believe it exists) and they are totally not the kind of people that say "I hate what you say but I will die defending your ri…

> All those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech. Can you give examples?

Elon Musk, for instance, claims to be a free speech absolutist. However, in practice, he attempts to suppress speech that is expressed through bots that advertise crypto currency in replies to him.

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Post by mynameisvlad »

tlb wrote: post #84
tgv wrote: post #34

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Why do we need an absolute free speech platform? What good does it do? > The only somewhat free place I've seen is 4Chan but it contains so much toxicity, that's its barely bearable. Sounds like a hint to me. There are more free speech sites, e.g. saidit.net. I would wholeheartedly recommend staying away from it: it's a cesspool, like the other reddit wannabes. Voat also comes to mind. Freedom of speech on such sites…

A platform that hosted both objectionable speech and regular speech together might be tolerable to read. But the most of the regular speech ends up on popular platforms than ban objectionable speech, so the free-speech sites are left with mostly the objectionable stuff, which makes them pretty unpleasant to read. It makes it hard to start a new platform. People start free-speech platforms with good intentions of havi…

4chan has hosted anything and has done so for longer than other social media sites.

Maybe toxic people just congregate in places where their speech is accepted, therefore making the rest of the site toxic as well.

Maybe it’s not “hate mongers and trolls” that overrun sites and that the concept of free speech and being able to say anything just naturally brings out the worst people and the worst in people.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by AnotherGoodName »

shadowgovt wrote: post #129
mrtksn wrote: post #11

Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech. I have been following self proclaimed free speech absolutists(because I too, believe in free speech but don't believe it exists) and they are totally not the kind of people that say "I hate what you say but I will die defending your ri…

> The only somewhat free place I've seen is 4Chan but it contains so much toxicity, that's its barely bearable. Correlation doesn't imply causation, but it does wiggle its eyebrows meaningfully in causation's direction.

It tells me there's places of free speech on the internet but what is really wanted here is forced listening.

Free speech on small fringe sites somehow doesn't count because it's not forced on people that don't want to see it. It's pretty clearly not a free speech issue at this point.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by smcn »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #132
tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

> This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. Devil's advocate: there's no way this isn't the case for Kanye, right? Why is this mental illness sparking up later in his life? Why was he able to achieve everything he's achieved 1996 -> 2012 (Roc-A-Fella -> The College Dropout -> My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy era) without these "mental illness" bouts?

He's diagnosed with bipolar back in 2016 and talks about refusing medication because it messes with his ability to create/be creative.

It's possible that he's exhibited symptoms for far longer but it was brushed aside under the guise of kooky genius. I mean, the Taylor Swift thing was, what, 2009?

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Post by throwaway894345 »

mmastrac wrote: post #139
Jonovono wrote: post #134

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We don't have all the info, but let's not kid ourselves that mental illness can't be visible from a distance.

Yeah, I agree. I'm not a conservative, but if I were I wouldn't want Kanye (or Trump) to be the one championing my views. Find someone who (1) actually has conservative views, (2) isn't mentally ill, and (3) can articulate those views persuasively. Thomas Sowell might be considered a good example.

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Post by macintux »

luckylion wrote: post #112
_djo_ wrote: post #108

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But how can you seriously compare a statement like 'capitalism is the problem', which is an opinion about how society chooses to organise itself, to bigotry and prejudice against what people were born as, including anti-semitism? It's self evident that there should be separate standards for that.

It's absurd to call capitalism the problem for e.g. pollution (which is a typical example of 'capitalism is the problem' statements), which every economic system faced (and the communist systems handled much worse than the capitalist), not to mention comparing slavery to 21st century employment in the West. The people uttering those statements know that, they're neither stupid nor children who haven't yet gotten an e…

Pollution is an example of an externality which unregulated ism fails to address, but since capitalism is the dominant economic model and many capitalists advocate for less regulation, it’s not a dramatic leap of logic to say capitalism is the problem.

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

Jonovono wrote: post #134
tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

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Because normal-brained people announce that they're going "deathcon 3" on Jews all the time.

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Post by paulpauper »

tonightstoast wrote: post #45
dd36 wrote: post #30

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Kanye West is still on Twitter. What was it he couldn’t say?

He made some anti Semitic comments and I thought his account was banned. Maybe it was just a suspension though.

that never happened. the tweet was only removed

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Post by taylodl »

tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

and these Parler people are scamming him - that's an interesting point I hadn't thought of. My first thought on hearing this news was so what? I don't care about Parler or Kanye West, but if Parler is taking advantage of Kanye's mental decline then that's next-level awful. Like I said, I'm no fan of Kanye, but that's horrible to take advantage of people like that.
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