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One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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It reminds me how MacOS has the icon for any networked Windows PC as a “blue screen of death” monitor

...which suggests that the notion that some designer at Apple subtly decreased the contrast on green bubbles to make them look "gross" is ridiculous -- if they really wanted to make SMS messages look bad, they could be much less subtle about it...

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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> This deep integration with colours and status symbols does remain in specific areas like middle school where it is still seen as important to try to project wealth. Are the kids wrong? When I look at my app’s stats, Android users are worse in every way. More expensive to develop for, pay less or none at all, and their halo effect is sometimes negative: they might word-of-mouth my app to more Android users instead o…

> More expensive to develop for As iOS developer i disagree, You can develop android app on any platform that support JDK you pay a one-time registration fee of €25, Google Play is faster at approving apps (anecdotal evidence from working on team that support both iOS and Android) iOS apps have to be compiled on recent Mac with latest version of macOS, you pay a yearly fee of €100 and AppStore review process is more…

Not saying Apple deserves the $100, am saying that's not the expensive part of app dev.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Yeah, no one uses plain sms messages across the pond any more. And sms group chats? I only know about sms group chats from US posters. You can just assume everyone has Whatsapp here, and just message them over that.

How do you message when you don't have wifi/data? I can SMS from more remote places than I can any internet-based service.

You just don't. Their adoption of Whatsapp(at least in Spain), seems to have been driven by a period in time when WhatsApp was coming up that the plans sold by cell service providers were near unlimited data, but only X amount of calls/texts allowed to be sent per month.

In the USA we had opposite plans during this time. Unlimited talk/text, but strict data caps.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Besides the cherry-picked colors of green from the top of the screen, the author assumes turning up the screen brightness reduces contrast in the same way that applying a brightness filter in photoshop does. That’s obviously not true - a given colorspace has less dynamic range if you make everything brighter in photoshop, but turning up your screen backlight brightness makes everything brighter by a constant factor, which doesn’t change the dynamic range.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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It's actually really cherry-picked samples. All messages (blue and green) in the Messages app fade out slightly as you scroll. The author picked a blue message from the bottom of the screen and a green one from the top. If only they scrolled around a bit... they would have noticed.

Also the article doesn't mention that the iMessage blue also fails the same WCAG test. I just ran it myself.

As shown in the image, the blue at least passes the test for "large text"

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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I have a problem with the thesis statement that people think green bubbles are "gross", which uncritically parrots Google's "Get the Message" PR campaign. I know that iPhone-using teens don't care about this in SoCal, the virtue signalling capital of the world. Their group chats with friends are all green, so if anything's "gross" it's the blue bubbles of their parental conversations. In the meantime, RCS is missing…

> In the meantime, RCS is missing really basic capabilities. For example, RCS encryption only works for 1:1 conversations, so things like family chats are not private. As opposed to iMessage, but certainly not as opposed to SMS which is what RCS would actually be replacing on the iPhone. Apple would rather have EVERY conversation with an android user unencrypted rather than work towards a solution.

Apple is not standards-resistant, if that's what you're suggesting. Given their history of supporting standards (and occasionally leading a standard's adoption), that's clearly not the case.

RCS is not a slam dunk. Juniper Research says RCS-capable subscribers represent less than 13% of global mobile subscribers in 2022. (They project that that will double to 40% by 2026, FWIW.)

End-to-encryption is not part of the RCS standard, but is instead a Google-proprietary layer on top of that. I assume that Apple can't seriously consider adopting RCS until that omission is fixed. It would be crazy for Apple to create a Google dependency for something as critical as messaging, especially given Google's long history of failures in this area.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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This seems to be mostly a US American thing, mainly because of the same reasons BBM was a thing: lots of chats over SMS used to be a thing, and then chats over iMessage, which like BBM, you can only join if you have a device from a specific vendor. That means that you can only be in a special social circle if you buy the same stuff. That won't change because of some colours, because it's not the colours causing the t…

I agree that this is a middle school level analysis, but I've seen it a couple times in practice during my career. 1. In the dating scene, I have heard women remark that it was a red flag (Android users are stereotypically poor... despite a large number of techies using Android) 2. A manager at my old company was advised to get an iphone for communication with VCs. One of our old leaders had heard commentary from a V…

Both are good reasons to avoid such toxic people. VC's especially.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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I would love to see a survey of mobile phone users to see if this matters to them. I’ll take a guess it doesn’t matter because Google would be flaunting the results. As for negative effects on kids. There’s more than just phones. Clothes, cars, vacations, social media posts, tutoring, sports. Maybe we should put everyone in uniforms, don’t allow kids drive to school, ban sports, and forbid them from talking about the…

> I’ll take a guess it doesn’t matter because Google would be flaunting the results. I'm not sure how easy that would be - 'Apple will make you more popular if you use an iPhone instead of Android!'...'No no, that's bad , you don't want that, don't buy an iPhone!'

Google did an ad campaign recently that’s basically that line of thinking (plus trying to encourage them to adopt RCS): https://www.android.com/get-the-message/

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Whenever I see this iMessage/SMS, blue/green topic come up I descend into an internal debate that, as I get older, I am becoming increasingly familiar with. The debate is that one where I am forced to reconcile whether I am too far removed from popular culture to see how this is a real issue versus accepting that the issue is entirely contrived.

The green texts isn't just branding or aesthetics. iMessage with non iphones is a legitimately degraded experience and the green texts exist to remind you of that, but even if they weren't green the experience would still be bad because apple realizes that forcing people to buy their phone if they want to have texts that send in under 5 seconds is an incredibly successful strategy. Having long form conversations over SMS just doesn't work given the time they take to send, and tons of iPhone users refuse to get a messaging app.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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What are the chances that the EU will come in a year and mandate that “all messages must have the same color” and use it as an excuse that having some blue bubbles and some green colors is harming the mental health of children?

The contrast between your perception of the EU and their actual positions is pretty entertaining to me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Markets_Act https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/eu-digital-markets-act...

So you mean my perception that the EU is run by a bunch of bureaucrats who don’t understand technology, stymie innovation and don’t think about unintended consequences? Do you think there may be a reason that hardly any successful technology companies come out of the Eu?
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