Some neat info on the performance side of things, Fleet is using Skija[1] and Compose[2] as a rendering engine and UI framework. Skija is a java wrapper for Skia and still does not support the full API. Compose is still relatively new and has not had nearly the amount of man hours devoted to it as Swing. This is just a technical preview, I'm sure there will be plenty of optimizations to come. I think it's pretty exciting to see Skija being used for a mainstream project!
JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program
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Honestly, it is basically about a 100% chance that the next employer will pay for JB. I couldn’t imagine an employer refusing to pay $120/yr for a JB license for an employee they are already paying $180,000/yr.
My employee does not pay for JB license, I'm doing that myself and my colleagues are either using community editions or vscode (or cracked ones). He does not pay me $180,000/yr either, LoL, more like $30,000/yr. Also I think that it's more like $600/yr for companies.
I pay for my own RubyMine and Copilot license. At the end of the day I just want to get the job done as efficient as possible and be done with it so I can do other hobbies or code side projects. If my co-workers want to work harder, that's on them
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> But by far the biggest moat that Jetbrains is going to have to cross to get into VSCode territory is the plugin ecosystem. Personally I work on React projects so my first thought was: "is there a Prettier[1] plugin?". This just reinforces my feeling that a major driver behind VSCode's popularity is that people just don't know better [1] 1. Download WebStorm (or IDEA) and write some React in it. And Typescript. Refa…
Sure but WebStorm is targeted solely/mainly at JavaScript development. What if my employer has N repos and several other languages, and JavaScript is just one of those. VSCode allows me to stay with the same interface across multiple different repos. Yes, if I’m doing Ruby or Java or C# I might choose a _different_ IDE for certain tasks in that language. But with a few plugins you can get a reasonably good generalist…
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#154This looks really promising. But by far the biggest moat that Jetbrains is going to have to cross to get into VSCode territory is the plugin ecosystem. Personally I work on React projects so my first thought was: "is there a Prettier[1] plugin?". Looking through the landing page it looks like Plugins are in the works but until that is implemented, it's going to be hard adopting it. ALSO I just noticed this but can so…
JetBrains employee here, and I can clarify the point about “Requires login and periodic connection to JetBrains servers to verify the project”. If you are using Fleet in a Free (hobby) mode, we are verifying that the project comply with one of three criteria: 1. your project is local (no Git or Git Remote). 2. your project is public on GitHub. 3. your project is private but has less than 3 committers. In this case, w…
Your IDEs' project management are broken for people who use git CLI (everyone?): https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-183490
The issue is marked "shelved" while consistently active. Do you have any ability to run this up the flagpole, please? I and many others would be very grateful.
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#155I have read all the comments on this thread. I'm fascinated by people's thoughts of VSC Vs JetBrains. It seems the consensus is that JB is better, except for web platform? Maybe this is because TypeScript is an excellent language server
The only thing that matters to me is JetBrains stuff seems to actually understand my code. i.e. it never fails to be able to jump me to references if I cmd+click a symbol, it's never messed up an automatic refactor (like a variable rename or something), etc. And it just works out of the box.
I've never been able to configure VS Code to work in a way that's anywhere approaching intelligent. Maybe there's a way but I don't want to be messing with plugins and settings. And every time I've tried I just get frustrated and give up. I keep it installed for quick one-off text editing cause it launches faster than JB, but Fleet might just replace it for that usecase now.
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#156> Run in a performant virtual machine with up to: 16 CPU cores 32 GB Memory 40 GB Disk Drive Literally my laptop that I bought for $1300 3 years ago.
Model?
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It's not. At least as far as I can tell, the different Jetbrains IDEs are more like configurations or flavors of the same underlying thing. You can do most things in most of their IDEs. You should try paying for an IDE. VSCode is great but if you're an engineer getting paid anywhere close to a Silicon Valley wage (or you can expense devtools), you deserve better :)
> It’s not. From the WebStorm page on JetBrains: > WebStorm The smartest JavaScript IDE WebStorm is an integrated development environment for JavaScript and related technologies. Like other JetBrains IDEs, it makes your development experience more enjoyable, automating routine work and helping you handle complex tasks with ease.
They come with a bunch of "pre-configurations". I used to have PyCharm, and now I've switched to IntelliJ. I can still do everything I could with PyCharm, which was itself a superset of WebStorm.
Sure, some things are organized a bit differently, but basically, if you want to use multiple languages, just get IntelliJ, and you'll be set. It's cheaper than buying several other products, too.
The only one that seems a bit different is CLion, in that it does things that IntelliJ doesn't, and vice-versa.
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#159I think the name is a little funny, and maybe the funny is so crude and juvenile, that no one was willing to mention it? Like the Pepsi logo, I can't unsee it.
"OK, people, creative time! Blank slate, no second system syndrome. Let's rethink the JetBrains concept, from the bottom, up!"
"Jet-- Butts?"
"Will the JetButts brand fly in all markets? Riff alternatives?"
"...Fleet?"
"Explosive! Sounds fast and productive! Can we get a mark search?"
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Giving something for free is not monopoly (without preinstallation). You can say other things about this strategy, but you're misusing the word.
The price of acquisition is 0$ but costs telemetry and branding. So microsoft is charging you for this just not money. Even if that wouldnt be the case microsoft did distribute ie and the media player for free, so there is precedence. It may not be distributed part of the os but it is a product set at a price that severely undercuts competition. Worse even the product is developed using free labour yet microsoft bene…
VSCode is open source and you are free to alter it (MIT license), removing those parts that you say Microsoft is using to "charge" you. Or just use vscodium.