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Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by Brusco_RF »

caconym_ wrote: post #99
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #81

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> In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances. The discourse in many subreddits is invisibly dictated by the moderators. It's not obvious when you browse posts because everything is organically coming from random people. However, moderators can entirely shape the conversation by only allowing posts that say what they want. In other words: The…

100%. The reality of moderation on Reddit is absolutely horrifying, like flipping over a rock and finding a pile of decomposing rat carcasses underneath. It's unbelievable, for instance, how often comments going against the grain are "shadow removed".

I find "throttling" or "shadow banning" to be far more objectionable than simply banning / removing comments.

At least if my post is deleted I can tell. But when companies artificially limit the reach of content they do not like, you might never know.

Facebook openly admits to doing this. They are playing god by curating which information is worthy / unworthy of being seen, as well as presenting a warped view of reality to their users.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by datalopers »

vlunkr wrote: post #147
datalopers wrote: post #136

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HN is moderated by upvotes/downvotes in a similar fashion. Hivemind floats to the top the most mundane of viewpoints. imo, we need to eliminate upvotes/downvotes and just have a single flag/report type system for vitriolic content.

Getting downvoted is not at all the same as having comments deleted, or getting banned, which is incredibly common on some subreddits. Also not giving new users access to downvotes hopefully means that those downvoting are somewhat good citizens.

I agree it's not the same as mods literally removing content or banning users but it still yields the same result. People observe what type of thought gets upvotes and repeat those views/opinions over and over. This of course is exactly how reddit works too outside of mods.

> hopefully means that those downvoting are somewhat good citizens.

Definitely not. It only takes a few flags on HN to completely remove something from the front-page. It only takes a few downvotes to grey it nothingness.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by Brusco_RF »

vlunkr wrote: post #147
datalopers wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN is moderated by upvotes/downvotes in a similar fashion. Hivemind floats to the top the most mundane of viewpoints. imo, we need to eliminate upvotes/downvotes and just have a single flag/report type system for vitriolic content.

Getting downvoted is not at all the same as having comments deleted, or getting banned, which is incredibly common on some subreddits. Also not giving new users access to downvotes hopefully means that those downvoting are somewhat good citizens.

Lets not kid ourselves, the main reason HN is much higher quality than Reddit is because of the users. It could all change tomorrow if they find out about us.

People forget that Reddit used to look a lot like HN does today in like 2006-10 before the Digg exodus. Today Reddit is almost entirely kids.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by lrae »

dmonitor wrote: post #68
lrae wrote: post #36

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> Which violates a number of Reddit's conflict of interest rules for moderators. Those don't exist. There is something called the "Reddiquette" which is by the community and completely informal. Subreddits owned by companies is the new normal and if you look at games, most reddit users these days even prefer it to community-run ones. Not uncommon to have two subreddits at a launch of a game and the unofficial one wil…

> most reddit users these days even prefer it to community-run ones. Not uncommon to have two subreddits at a launch of a game and the unofficial one will always "lose". Games often link to the "official" reddit community from inside the game, so no surprise that traffic will be driven there

Sure, they also share them on their socials and are vocal about it.

But even besides that, if you look at any time this situation happened in the last ~3 years, you'll always see more users being vocal about the preferring the official sub than the community one in comparison.

Reddit's demographics changed, and it just exploded over the last couple of years with "casual users", "went mainstream" or what ever one wants to call it.

Most users these days don't even know that "official subreddits" were something that was super unpopular and uncommon on Reddit.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by dahfizz »

skrbjc wrote: post #135
MrsPeaches wrote: post #30

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Article about him here: https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-silicon-valley/th...

This says a lot about the biases of many journalists and why you are likely not getting a neutral viewpoint from many of them: "Picturing the moderators responsible for steering conversation on Hacker News, I imagined a team of men who proudly self-identify as neoliberals and are active in the effective-altruism movement. (I assumed they’d be white men; it never occurred to me that women, or people of color, could be…

That strikes me as genuinely insane. I don't understand why anyone would care what journalists have to say anymore.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by Domenic_S »

Brusco_RF wrote: post #138
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #81

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> In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances. The discourse in many subreddits is invisibly dictated by the moderators. It's not obvious when you browse posts because everything is organically coming from random people. However, moderators can entirely shape the conversation by only allowing posts that say what they want. In other words: The…

I spent a large part of my formative years on Reddit and I agree with everything you just said. I don't know how to fix the issue, but I have some ideas. One would be a "mod action audit." Each subreddit, or perhaps each moderator, would have a score indicating what % of comments are removed. Some random chunk of the removed content could be reviewed by auditors to determine what % were just spam and what came from l…

Slashdot had (has?) meta-moderation, where you are randomly selected to re-moderate decisions

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by TMWNN »

silisili wrote: post #62
c7DJTLrn wrote: post #14

When you realise Reddit is moderated by unpaid megalomaniacs and teenagers, everything starts to fall into place. In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances.

Way worse than FB, I'd argue. I used to think Reddit users skewed too heavily in certain ways, and didn't make sense. One day, using some tool (removeddit, reveddit, etc), I noticed how many posts and comments were removed by moderators - things that went against the skew. It's one of the reasons places like r/politics became such an echo chamber dumpster fire.

>It's one of the reasons places like r/politics became such an echo chamber dumpster fire.

The day after election day 2016 in the US, it was actually possible to post non-leftist comments/articles in /r/politics. Basically, the mods and bot owners hadn't been given their new marching orders, and didn't know what to do.

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Post by cercatrova »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #81
c7DJTLrn wrote: post #14

When you realise Reddit is moderated by unpaid megalomaniacs and teenagers, everything starts to fall into place. In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances.

> In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances. The discourse in many subreddits is invisibly dictated by the moderators. It's not obvious when you browse posts because everything is organically coming from random people. However, moderators can entirely shape the conversation by only allowing posts that say what they want. In other words: The…

92 of top 500 subreddits controlled by same 5 people

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23173018

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by holoduke »

c7DJTLrn wrote: post #14

When you realise Reddit is moderated by unpaid megalomaniacs and teenagers, everything starts to fall into place. In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances.

I got banned on /r/world news supposedly because I said something negative about Ukraine. The only thing I wanted was a healthy dialog without picking a side. I asked for clearification. Didn't hear anything. Got fed up with reddit anyway.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by squeaky-clean »

tayo42 wrote: post #105
c7DJTLrn wrote: post #84

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Absolutely. And the front page is just full of this kind of specially curated content that aligns with the moderators' views. It's propaganda, basically. Question is whose?

who is pushing for antiwork to hit the frontpage constantly?

The issue is more that if you make a post critical of some of the ideas in antiwork, expect it to get removed within about 10 minutes. While no individual in particular is pushing for those posts to reach the front page, only posts that fit the groupthink stay alive long enough to do so.
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