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How a Stable Diffusion prompt changes its output for the style of 1500 artists

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Re: How a Stable Diffusion prompt changes its output for the style of 1500 artists

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Post by capitalsigma »

bawolff wrote: post #94
logisticpeach wrote: post #49

Hate to say it but when i see stuff like this it only reminds me of what we could have achieved if this ingenuity had been applied in another domain. Can't help feeling that this accidentally harms creative types and risks swamping us with visual junk. The technical achievment is astounding but no-one would seriously claim that crafting an image via a short prompt is creative except in the most cursory way. I'm proba…

> only reminds me of what we could have achieved if this ingenuity had been applied in another domain. I hate arguments like this. Even ignoring how dismisive it is of the achievement at hand, why would you assume ingenuity is transferable like that? Someone who makes a breakthrough in physics is by no means likely to have made an equivalently ground breaking advance in biology if they had decided to study that field…

I think this phrase actually means "I don't want to seem like a Luddite, but now that AI is disrupting something that I personally care about, I'm no longer enthusiastic about progress"

Re: How a Stable Diffusion prompt changes its output for the style of 1500 artists

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Post by eru »

amelius wrote: post #136
pmoriarty wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Should there be legal implications to this? ... Should this be allowed?" Even if there are laws against it, the cat's out of the bag. There's no stopping billions of people all over the world making derivative works at the push of a button.

> the cat's out of the bag. Yeah, just wait until Disney characters get copied and mixed. I wouldn't be surprised if their lawyers are preparing to change copyright law ... again ...

Seems more like a case of trademark law to me?

Re: How a Stable Diffusion prompt changes its output for the style of 1500 artists

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Post by eru »

pmoriarty wrote: post #114
soulofmischief wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People said this about cameras. About digital cameras. About digital photo editing software. The next generation will normalize these tools and find incredible ways to be creative within their new cutting edge medium. The post-art world is here! Just think about how history books will remember this period! The styles that will be borne of necessity, of the need to break down art and find what makes it tick.

"People said this about cameras. About digital cameras. About digital photo editing software." Also about desktop publishing. Remember all the printers (ie. people working in the printing industry operating printing machines) that were put out of a job when you could just buy a (electronic) printer for your home computer and just print whatever you wanted yourself? People were wringing their hands about that too back…

> [...] and who does copy and paste with physical glue and paper anymore?

When I was finishing high school in the early 2000s, we still had teachers who made worksheets that way.

I remember one history teacher in particular. She used a photocopier to get sections from books, cut-and-paste them together, and then use the photocopier again to make the final sheets to distribute to the students.

I was very surprised at the time, but also admired the ingenuity. The process is much more physical than using a PC.

Re: How a Stable Diffusion prompt changes its output for the style of 1500 artists

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Post by eru »

derac wrote: post #77
LeoPanthera wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People said this about cameras. About digital cameras. About digital photo editing software. Did they? Because I don't think they did. I think most people were amazed by all these technologies.

https://daily.jstor.org/when-photography-was-not-art/ Research beats idle speculation. Google "photography skeptics early history"

From the article you linked:

> As long as “invention and feeling constitute essential qualities in a work of Art,” the writer argued, “Photography can never assume a higher rank than engraving.”

Ha, dissing engraving at the same time as photography.

Though I wonder if the 'write' meant engraving of a design someone else already produced, or any engraving work at all.

Re: How a Stable Diffusion prompt changes its output for the style of 1500 artists

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Post by eru »

victor9000 wrote: post #54
logisticpeach wrote: post #49

Hate to say it but when i see stuff like this it only reminds me of what we could have achieved if this ingenuity had been applied in another domain. Can't help feeling that this accidentally harms creative types and risks swamping us with visual junk. The technical achievment is astounding but no-one would seriously claim that crafting an image via a short prompt is creative except in the most cursory way. I'm proba…

Well, robots have been better than humans at playing chess for decades now, and we still have chess players.

More impressively, chess has not only survived as a human past time. But we still have professional human chess players.

Re: How a Stable Diffusion prompt changes its output for the style of 1500 artists

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Post by moyix »

jhbadger wrote: post #35
pwinnski wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the nature of ML models--nobody is 100% sure what it understands until they try something and get results. It was given a lot of tagged data: 600 million captioned images from LAION-5B. So if you want to know what it might support, you could try any one of the captions from those 600 million images.

But why isn't the list of words from those captions available anywhere (at least as far as I can tell)? There may be 600 million captions, but the number of unique words would probably be 10 or 20 thousand at most, completely feasible to browse or grep.

You can download it here:

https://github.com/rom1504/img2dataset/blob/main/dataset_exa...

You probably would want to stop after getting the metadata, unless you have 240TB available for the images :)

More details and links to dataset explorers here: https://laion.ai/blog/laion-5b/

Re: How a Stable Diffusion prompt changes its output for the style of 1500 artists

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Post by adityashankar »

alexmolas wrote: post #40

Nice experiment! I would only change two things: (1) sort the artists in alphabetical order, and (2) allow users to write the name of the artist and show if it's in the list. I'm saying that because it's a little bit tedious to search for the artist you're looking for. A part from that, I find the idea super-interesting :)

I've added a search function now, I'll change it to be in alphabetical order gimmie a sec

Re: How a Stable Diffusion prompt changes its output for the style of 1500 artists

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Post by nearbuy »

boplicity wrote: post #105

The concept of "derivative work" is pretty important in copyright law. I wonder if anyone has thoughts on this, in terms of this type of project. Should there be legal implications to this? I know someone -- a completely unknown artist -- who used to make a fair portion of their living by drawing D&D characters for people. Unfortunately, orders slowed down, because someone can input one of his images into software li…

A human artist can freely paint something in the style of another artist. It's not considered a derivative work. You can't copyright a style.

A derivative work is an adaptation, translation, or modification of a particular, existing copyrighted work.

If you asked Stable Diffusion for "Vincent van Gogh's Starry Night with a cat looking at the sky", you'd get a derivative work (although Starry Night is in the public domain, so you wouldn't be violating its copyright).

Re: How a Stable Diffusion prompt changes its output for the style of 1500 artists

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Post by adityashankar »

FiReaNG3L wrote: post #82
akie wrote: post #69

It would be so much better to just have all of these 1500 pictures next to each other in a list with the artist's name under it.

Or at the very least with the list of artists alphabetically sorted!

I've sorted them in alphabetical order now

Re: How a Stable Diffusion prompt changes its output for the style of 1500 artists

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Post by adityashankar »

adityashankar wrote: post #157
alexmolas wrote: post #40

Nice experiment! I would only change two things: (1) sort the artists in alphabetical order, and (2) allow users to write the name of the artist and show if it's in the list. I'm saying that because it's a little bit tedious to search for the artist you're looking for. A part from that, I find the idea super-interesting :)

I've added a search function now, I'll change it to be in alphabetical order gimmie a sec

done
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