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Re: Ask HN: What did Linux not do right?

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Post by traverseda »

pdimitar wrote: post #146
traverseda wrote: post #50

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>>You can do systemctl list-unit-files Sure, but how is that an improvement over locality-of-behavior and having unit files in easily known locations? Here's a rough list of places you can find unit files: #Places you can find systemd unit files /etc/systemd/system/* /run/systemd/system/* /lib/systemd/system/* ... $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/systemd/user/* $HOME/.config/systemd/user/* /etc/systemd/user/* $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/system…

I don't care where the files are. You're fixating on an implementation detail. I want commands that achieve my goals. Where they get their info from I couldn't care less. It seems you're more interested in reverse-engineering your system than actually doing something with it. Which is your right of course, but surely you can see how that can't be the priority of everyone.

I think you're missing the point that you can have both, a system that works well and adheres to basic unix philosophy.

Re: Ask HN: What did Linux not do right?

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Post by pdimitar »

traverseda wrote: post #151
pdimitar wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't care where the files are. You're fixating on an implementation detail. I want commands that achieve my goals. Where they get their info from I couldn't care less. It seems you're more interested in reverse-engineering your system than actually doing something with it. Which is your right of course, but surely you can see how that can't be the priority of everyone.

I think you're missing the point that you can have both, a system that works well and adheres to basic unix philosophy.

And you claim systemd is not working well, which is factually not true.

Re: Ask HN: What did Linux not do right?

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Post by em-bee »

pajko wrote: post #63
klysm wrote: post #61

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Having some structure like power shell would be really nice.

Try this: https://fishshell.com/

i love and use fish, but it doesn't solve the problem of everything is text. it's not even a shell problem in my view but it's really a problem of what kind of data is piped from one command to the next. that's quite shell-agnostic

Re: Ask HN: What did Linux not do right?

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Post by t0bia_s »

I don't know about kernel, but from my experience I'm generally struggle with philosophy "From nerds, to nerds." Most problems require sudo this and sudo that which led to multiple new problems and overall it is not user friendly. It gets better with development and also with user experience, but it is damn hard to get into linux as noob. Also imho default values for settings are often not wisely chosen.

As professional artist I still cannot use linux for work unfortunately (no 10bit support, no professional SW compatibility, GPU drivers mess, crazy difficult settings of VM dGPU passtrough, etc.).

Re: Ask HN: What did Linux not do right?

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Post by dave_taht »

yummypaint wrote: post #21

I think the linux dev community and foss developers in general could be much more aggressive about going after government grant money. Open source software is used in everything from biomedical research to fundamental science, to industry, to defense. Somehow, these key shared resources are still run on a budget that's barely a rounding error by comparison. I know writing grant proposals sucks and everyone wants to b…

NSF finally has a program that makes sense to support better open source orgs: https://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2022/nsf22062/nsf22062.jsp

Don't everyone apply at once!

Re: Ask HN: What did Linux not do right?

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Post by pdimitar »

3np wrote: post #143
pdimitar wrote: post #138

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I have the same problem with Arch so I gave up and started using Manjaro. It's a much better experience for my burned out brain.

I'd encourage you to check out EndeavorOS. While they did have a breaking update of their own, I have much higher confidence in them delivering a consistent experience than Manjaro.

Can you summarize the differences and why are they favoring Endeavor?

I only heard some hand-wavy claims about Manjaro maintainers being non-constructive or some such, and I openly admit that I find those claims unconvincing.

Re: Ask HN: What did Linux not do right?

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Post by sandreas »

mid-kid wrote: post #150
sandreas wrote: post #90

Most of the things that go wrong, don't happen in the kernel. Kernel development is pretty awesome and although there is always room for improvement I can't see something revolutionizing the work done there. You might say: Let's rewrite it in Rust to ensure memory safety - well, rust support is on the way and while I think it is a good thing, it will not fix everything. In my opinion writing a completely new kernel w…

Libinput has genuinely been such a subpar experience for me that I'm currently still running the synaptics driver. One thing that bothers me is that not all applications support kinetic scrolling with libinput, but they do with synaptics. Configuration is fairly limited with the new driver, and I've never got it to feel right. It's been a few years since I last tried however, so I don't know if things have changed, b…

Try libinput-config[1] - it's the missing config option for libinput. It works via hook and is far from perfect, but now the kinetic scrolling is really acceptable...

What can be improved:

  Having a hook daemon is kind of crazy to overcome the missing config
  Two finger (rightclick) stop scrolling does not work, one finger (leftclick) does
  touchpad accuracy could be better
More instructions for fedora, see: https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/qn0o9w/adjust_touch...

[1]: https://gitlab.com/warningnonpotablewater/libinput-config.gi...

Re: Ask HN: What did Linux not do right?

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Post by intothemild »

pdimitar wrote: post #138
intothemild wrote: post #131

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I would 100% agree with this list. Linux as a desktop has come so far, KDE is great for people who prefer the windows-like workflow, and Gnome for people who prefer a mac-like workflow. (Keyword there is like, for everyone who is about to nitpick) The dumbest thing is as you said the infighting over the same things.. that and the "This is better because it's harder, and thus I'm better than you because I'm using the…

I have the same problem with Arch so I gave up and started using Manjaro. It's a much better experience for my burned out brain.

I personally went to Fedora. I'm not a fan of Manjaros very fast package testing, there's apparently issues there. I'd stay with mainline arch.

That said. My point wasn't that Arch is hard or something. But that Arch could do some small things to make it much easier to have wider adoption... Its an example. There's things that other distros could do to solve this too.

The amount of "you use Ubuntu? That's a babys distro, I use Gentoo because I'm smarter!"

That shit needs to go.

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