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Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

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Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

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Proves the saying, "If you are not paying for the product, you are the product"

No website I have worked for has ever called users the product. The products are what is being built by various teams. For ads the product at a high level is everything from the parts that show ads to users to the tools that allow advertisers to create ads.

> No website I have worked for has ever called users the product.

Sure, and folks putting lead paint in children's toys don't call their wares "poison". Doesn't change anything.

Advertisers wouldn't buy all that fancy ad tooling "product" on a platform with zero users.

Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

#153
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Both in Chrome and Firefox, I always set my new tab page to `about:blank`, or in other words, absolutely nothing. Why? Because the address bar is all I need to get where I'm going. I type faster than I click.

There's no setting to set the new tab page in Chrome - not even in the policies json.

On Chrome, I had to use an extension that redirects it. It's annoying, and overrides the content of the address bar if you start typing too quickly -- but it's better than ads.

I switched to Firefox earlier this year, but the blatant memory leaks are making me strongly consider switching back to an old version of Chrome (v70 or so), which did not require a monstrous page file to run days or months without crashing.

Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

#154

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How do we fix this loop in companies? It is a very serious problem for humanity’s future. It exists in government too. How do we reward long-term thinking and decisions?

Short term rewards would need to be less enticing than the long term ones. Doing so would involve restricting many rights and privileges and people would hate that.

We are restricting our long term rights and privileges though...I know it is hard to get people to see that, but that is what is happening.

Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

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I'm so tired of seeing people recommend Brave. Firefox is what the web needs. Organizational shenanigans aside, Firefox is the best browser on the market right now.

Brave works, Firefox don't, simple as. I tried Firefox numerous times and I always stumble upon glitches, and it still measurable slower. Chromium won, deal with it.

I don't know, using Firefox for many years (100% of time since FF Quantum), never encountered any issues anywhere.

Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

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post #102

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There is a setting for what the home icon does, and it defaults to new tab...but is settable. Maybe that's what was meant? Edit: See https://imgur.com/a/wQhvFF9

There is no home icon in Chrome, at least I don't see it. Or is that also some setting?

It's a setting. You can enable the home button and then set it to be a custom address.

Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

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post #102

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There is a setting for what the home icon does, and it defaults to new tab...but is settable. Maybe that's what was meant? Edit: See https://imgur.com/a/wQhvFF9

There is no home icon in Chrome, at least I don't see it. Or is that also some setting?

The home icon only appears next to the refresh button when you have a "home page" configured. It is separate from the New Tab page.

Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

#158
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On my computer, Chrome has a 0% market share!

Mine too. But it unfortunately doesn't change the fact that Chrome is the most popular browser. Hope its domination, just like anything Google, ends soon though.

I heard that ad blocking will not work after January. I am going to wait until ads actually start appearing in my browser again to switch because the internet is full of bad information but assuming it actually happens I, and all the non tech dependents I influence, will be giving Brave a try. I am attracted to it because it says it blocks ads by default, however I am concerned because it doesn't appear to have even 1% of browser share. I don't know where else to go though because Edge...just I can't believe myself ever using a Microsoft browser again after the IE drama and Firefox is a zombie from a by gone era that only exists on the fumes of massive payments from Google to prevent anti trust so not worth investing in either. Slim options and no clear path forward.

Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

#159

It was inevitable, you gotta get the infite growth from somewhere. Ane the next move will +1 this and so on, until google becomes less attractive than leaner competition. Because of inertia, legacy and people benefitting from the status quo, they won't be able to correct course. This is textbook "how empire falls" and why things that seem indestructible eventually dies like anything else. This will be the mile stone…

How would they +1 this? Require users to watch two ads Youtube-style before rendering a website? Place a persistent banner ad along the bottom of the browser window?

> Place a persistent banner ad along the bottom of the browser window?

No, they’ll place it at the top, just like Amp.

Re: Google has added ads on both its search page and Chrome://newtab

#160

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Say you're a decision-maker at Google (or Any Large Corp). You have a KPI to increase revenue by 5% this year. If you hit this KPI, then you get a bonus. If you get the bonus, then you can afford the thing that your partner has been wanting forever (or that will make your neighbours jealous, or whatever), and you get a happy life. You know that doing X will harm the company in the long term (defined as anything past…

How do we fix this loop in companies? It is a very serious problem for humanity’s future. It exists in government too. How do we reward long-term thinking and decisions?

A lot of the most egregious, society-warping behavior by monstrous-sized companies is due to paying execs with stock. It was a salary tax avoidance maneuver that started in the 80's, and has led to 1) absolute fixation on short-term stock price, and 2) (also to that end) stock buybacks. Many of our largest corporations have used recent stimulus moneys to fund buybacks like it was sex or something. All it has been is a transfer of tax dollars to the oligarchy, and has "stimulated" nothing. We need some laws that do away with the loophole somehow, either by not allowing companies to pay people in stock, or by taxing the stock on its nominal value when given, making it much less attractive as a shell game.
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