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Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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The only one pushing for conflict here is Russia, who started an illegal war of aggression and invaded a neighbouring country.

Just because they are *also* pushing for conflict doesn't mean they are the *only* ones.

Have the Russian troops leave Ukraine and the armed conflict will drop to zero.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

#152

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Just because they are *also* pushing for conflict doesn't mean they are the *only* ones.

So what's the alternative, don't support Ukraine and let Russia finish their invasion? Arming the defender against an illegal aggression is not aggression itself.

We aren't even talking about arming anyone, we were talking about sabotage.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

#153

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Ukraine will be fine, post-war, with Germany buying Russian gas that went through pipelines on Ukrainian soils, because they get paid transit fees. No transit fees necessary for Nord Stream.

Ukraine has undeveloped large gas reserves (mostly at the territory currently occupied by Russia), so they could potentially replace Russia in the future as a supplier.

If they are in russian occupied territory, they can forget about them.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

#155

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> Isn't that obvious? No. These aren’t disabling attacks. It could be a warning from the Kremlin; a false flag operation; internecine warfare; interference by the U.S., Gulf or private actors in Norway; or a pipeline built by the same corruption that shipped cardboard armour [1] doing what Russian-involved infrastructure does. [1] https://mobile.twitter.com/nazk_gov/status/15019605885950156...

I like to shit on Russia as much as the next guy but keep in mind there is propaganda on both side and Ukraine is infinitely better at it than Russia, these aren't egg cartons, they're meant to be there: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491788609276608574/... https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51936534258_91f5217324_b...

> these aren't egg cartons, they're meant to be there

Egg cartons in place of tank reactive armour may be on a schematic. That makes it no less useless. To say the Russian military is operating with top kit denies the battlefield reality.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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US since it destroys Putin's leverage against Germany.

please elaborate further how the US would benefit from destabilizing German gas supplies.

The US is exporting LNG to Europe... at quite a nice profit too.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

#157

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> Isn't that obvious? No. These aren’t disabling attacks. It could be a warning from the Kremlin; a false flag operation; internecine warfare; interference by the U.S., Gulf or private actors in Norway; or a pipeline built by the same corruption that shipped cardboard armour [1] doing what Russian-involved infrastructure does. [1] https://mobile.twitter.com/nazk_gov/status/15019605885950156...

I like to shit on Russia as much as the next guy but keep in mind there is propaganda on both side and Ukraine is infinitely better at it than Russia, these aren't egg cartons, they're meant to be there: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491788609276608574/... https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51936534258_91f5217324_b...

>Ukraine is infinitely better at it than Russia

[Citation needed]

The garbage Australian report that only looked at two hashtags (who even uses hashtags anymore?) doesn't count.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

#158
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Its not a conspiracy - the US has long wanted a reason/justification for turning off Germany's gas. I guess this is happening, now.

> A conspiracy (...) is a secret plan or agreement between persons (called conspirers or conspirators) for an unlawful or harmful purpose, (...) especially with political motivation, while keeping their agreement secret from the public or from other people affected by it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy It is a conspiracy.

Not a conspiracy: Biden himself stated - quite publically - that they would do it. It has been done.

Did you not read the quote?

Besides which, the US unilaterally gives itself the right to do these sorts of things at its own discretion on a regular basis.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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The only thing that will put this pipeline back into operation is rehabilitation of Russia, which will involve unconditional withdrawal from Ukraine, apology, $350bn of reparations, and a war crimes tribunal.

Or a new German government, but your option seems more likely.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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The only thing that will put this pipeline back into operation is rehabilitation of Russia, which will involve unconditional withdrawal from Ukraine, apology, $350bn of reparations, and a war crimes tribunal.

It's more likely that hell freezes then
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