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Re: Get in zoomer, we're saving React

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Post by mikrl »

skywhopper wrote: post #137
mwcampbell wrote: post #44

> What's really frustrating about all this is how passive and helpless the current generation of web developers seem to be in all this. It's as if they've all been lulled into complacency by convenience. They seem afraid to carve out their own ambitious paths, and lack serious gusto for engineering. If there isn't a "friendly" bot spewing encouraging messages with plenty of emoji at every turn, they won't engage. > A…

It’s because older generations inevitably devalue an evolving culture they can no longer comprehend as a defense mechanism to avoid admitting they can’t keep up. Anyone who seriously makes this argument that the Kids These Days are lazy/bad/worse than their own generation is either delusional or just lazy.

(As an elder cusper due to being terminally online for 15 years) 2020s pop culture so far is miles better than what we had in the early 2010s and IMO the 20 year olds are far more tolerable than they were when I was 20.

All the complaints about them are still valid IMO but even then I see it as less of a problem than the pathologies of previous generations.

Re: Get in zoomer, we're saving React

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Post by twodave »

greggman3 wrote: post #91
parasti wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a new phenomenon. This strategy is proven to work largely because of people like you who put in time and effort to answer those types of questions with quality information. Stack Overflow was literally built on this very premise.

On the one hand I hate help vampires who appear to show no effort and just want "gimme da codez!" On the other hand, it's impossible to remember what it was like to not know something. So often, just giving hints isn't enough. When I used to spend too much time answering S.O. questions I tried to, as often as possible, include a working snippet. One, to prove the solution worked, but two, so the questioner could star…

Maybe, but in some (many) cases you’d be better off spending the time developing your general knowledge of whatever it is you are working on to the point of solving your problem. This will not only solve your problem but also make you a better engineer. This is especially true with complex/dense material (e.g. kubernetes) where a lot of the learning is generally applicable.

Re: Get in zoomer, we're saving React

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Post by gardenhedge »

Gigachad wrote: post #25
bagels wrote: post #2

"Both the orange and red site recently spilled the tea about how mean Uncle React has been" Anyone know what this means?

“The orange site” is some weird euphemism twitter users use when complaining about HN. It’s also a great search term to chuck in to twitter for some entertainment.

It seems to always be said with disdain. Is there a reason these people don't want to use the name? Do they really dislike the color orange?

Re: Get in zoomer, we're saving React

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Post by mwcampbell »

mikrl wrote: post #151
skywhopper wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s because older generations inevitably devalue an evolving culture they can no longer comprehend as a defense mechanism to avoid admitting they can’t keep up. Anyone who seriously makes this argument that the Kids These Days are lazy/bad/worse than their own generation is either delusional or just lazy.

(As an elder cusper due to being terminally online for 15 years) 2020s pop culture so far is miles better than what we had in the early 2010s and IMO the 20 year olds are far more tolerable than they were when I was 20. All the complaints about them are still valid IMO but even then I see it as less of a problem than the pathologies of previous generations.

> All the complaints about them are still valid

Including the complaint from the OP about how zoomers are passive? If it's true (which I'm not convinced of), it seems like a fatal flaw, unless you're saying that inaction is preferable to some of the pathologies of previous generations (presumably including mine; I was born in 1980).

Re: Get in zoomer, we're saving React

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hantusk wrote: post #140

When reading through the comments here, I really feel like the article was misunderstood. My summary of the article is: Point 1: React solved all the right things, but its current trajectory, does not prioritize developing the fundamental tooling we need. React does not allow us to build a new Figma (consistent undo/redo in collaborative settings, immediate low-latency mutation of app state to reflect user changes an…

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Re: Get in zoomer, we're saving React

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Post by rk06 »

wheelerof4te wrote: post #92

Can any Web Dev framework survive long enough to be stable? If I learn some fancy framework today, I expect to use it for years to come else my knowledge and time is wasted.

No, it won't. Web is an ever changing platform, with a lot of churn.

The most long lived framework currently is emberjs. But it is not the hottest, so you won't find it discussed much. The most "future proof" framework is "React" which is the one mentioned in Original article.

It goes without saying but React is the cause of a lot of churn in js ecosystem, particularly due to its "no-battery included" approach.

## what about other popular frameworks?

Other popular frameworks are angular and Vue.

Angular has gone through such a major shift between angular 1 and angular 2, that angular 2 should have been renamed.

That being said Angular2+ is also going through a paradigm shift (albeit in right direction this time)

The other popular framework is Vue. Vue's templates have has gone through minor changes. And it has gone through a major change (vue 2 to vue3) recently. It is unlikely that another such large rewrite will happen for next 3-4 years. But after that, who knows?

The only option here is to refresh your skills regularly every 2-3 years

Re: Get in zoomer, we're saving React

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Post by tartoran »

absentmoon wrote: post #59
faraaz98 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As soon as I saw, "you should listen to your elders" being used as a reason to read this article, i knew it wouldn't be high quality

So unnecessary too. Having experience in the domain, like teaching react, lends more creditability than "trust me, I am old".

No, teaching react is the opposite. When one is invested in the hammer all they see is nails type of analogy at play here. I personally dont do UI stuff and don’t know who is responsible for what I notice as a utter mess in UI, across the board not only on the web.
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