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We Need New Motherboards Before GPUs Collapse Under Their Own Gravity

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Re: We Need New Motherboards Before GPUs Collapse Under Their Own Gravity

#151
why not simply use a case where the board is placed horizontally, that should not damage the slots?

or provide a dedicated gpu slot with a riser-like mount that allows for gpu to be mounted separately from the actual board ( something what laptop owners do with external gpus) ?

this way gpu could be any size and might have cooling on either side - or an external solution.

Re: We Need New Motherboards Before GPUs Collapse Under Their Own Gravity

#152
post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Only downside is the case has to be taller Not necessarily. A flexible interconnect would allow the GPU to be planar with the MB; just bend it 180 degrees. Now your GPU and CPU can have coolers with good airflow instead of the farcical CPU (125mm+ tall heatsinks...) and GPU cooling designs (three fans blowing into the PCB and exhausting through little holes...) prevailing today. My idea is to separate the whole CPU…

I was kind of hoping doing it that way would let you put big CPU style coolers on the GPU parts with a lot more height than a 1x or 2x expansion slot. If you “folded” the GPU over the CPU to save height I would think that would be worse than today for heat. Maybe I’ve got this backwards. Give up on PCIe, or put it above the rest of the motherboard. The one GPU slot, planar to the motherboard, stays below. Basically m…

> If you “folded” the GPU over the CPU to save height I would think that would be worse than today for heat.

Why? Cooling would be far better: the CPU and GPU heatsinks would both face outward from the center and receive clean front-to-rear airflow. Thus, looking down from above:

        intake air -->  [cpu heatsink]    exhaust --> 
                     [cpu+vrm+ram+chipset]
                    ---------pcb----------
                    |  [gpu  heatsink]    exhaust -->

The power supply and power connectors are on the bottom. Another PCB lays flat on top to host open PCI-E slots, NVMe, whatever, connected 90 deg. to the CPU PCB with one PCI-E slot interconnect. All interconnects are short. Air flow is simple and linear. The CPU/GPU Heatsinks are large and passive: you only need intake fans.

Re: We Need New Motherboards Before GPUs Collapse Under Their Own Gravity

#153

> Should we have GPU VRAM slots alongside CPU RAM slots? Is that even possible? I chuckled a little at this because I used to wonder the same thing until I had to actually bring up a GDDR6 interface. Basically the reason GDDR6 is able to run so much faster is because we assume that everything is soldered down, and not socketed/slotted. Back when I worked for a GPU company, I occasionally had conversations with co-wor…

What if GPU makers made motherboards?

Re: We Need New Motherboards Before GPUs Collapse Under Their Own Gravity

#154
Now that 5.25", 3.5", and 2.5" drives are less common in PCs, it might be time to think of a new standard which puts the GPU in a new form factor which allows for better (or at least simpler) airflow through the case. Seems needless to blow hot air into and out of the GPU just because of where it is situated inside. Imagine only a small number of fans pushing air in a single direction in order to efficiently cool all the components in the system.

Re: We Need New Motherboards Before GPUs Collapse Under Their Own Gravity

#155
post #11

Why can't I find a recent GPU that doesn't take up half my case? Do the GPU manufacturers not care about people who want more than onboard graphics but don't need the most powerful gaming GPU?

You can? Both the RTX 3050 and RX 6400 come in single fan form factors not much longer than a PCIE slot. Anything weaker than that is getting beaten by AGUs.

For reference, there used to be low profile cards available barely longer than an AGP slot. For example, here's a low profile Nvidia Gefore4 MX440 (I used to have one of these):

https://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/ProductImage/14-135-...

> Anything weaker than that is getting beaten by AGUs.

Is AGU the GPU on the CPU thing? Is it not possible (or maybe not profitable) to put something a little more performant than an AGU but doesn't need such a massive fan on a full size multiple slot card?

Re: We Need New Motherboards Before GPUs Collapse Under Their Own Gravity

#157
post #86

There used to be so called PIO motherboards from China. These were slightly larger than ITX and the PCIe connector was 90 degrees rotated so the video card was planar with the motherboard. https://imgur.com/a/ve1T0dE And if we are to reform our computer chassis anyways, we could move the PSU to straddle the motherboard and the video card and even have the VRM inside. High amperage "comb" connectors exist and VRM daug…

VRM?

Voltage Regulator Module.

Re: We Need New Motherboards Before GPUs Collapse Under Their Own Gravity

#159
post #11

Why can't I find a recent GPU that doesn't take up half my case? Do the GPU manufacturers not care about people who want more than onboard graphics but don't need the most powerful gaming GPU?

What's wrong with the NVidia 1630 or 1660, or AMD 6400, or Intel Arc 380?

Dual slot, massive fans, and only the Arc isn't extra long, from the pictures I see. I guess we have different ideas of big.

Edit: Perhaps I use the term incorrectly, I mean they take up two case slots even if only a single pcie slot.

Re: We Need New Motherboards Before GPUs Collapse Under Their Own Gravity

#160

> Should we have GPU VRAM slots alongside CPU RAM slots? Is that even possible? I chuckled a little at this because I used to wonder the same thing until I had to actually bring up a GDDR6 interface. Basically the reason GDDR6 is able to run so much faster is because we assume that everything is soldered down, and not socketed/slotted. Back when I worked for a GPU company, I occasionally had conversations with co-wor…

I had the misfortune of bringing up firmware for an overengineered piece of crap with DDR5 and even though we had the proper measuring equipment instrumenting properly is barely possible. It's designed with reflections in mind and there's a loopback channel at a slower word rate that I think the controller uses to characterize the analog signal because it's like, barely digital.
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