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Re: Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B

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Post by Kerbonut »

woeh wrote: post #135
Normille wrote: post #70

Cool. The EU does have its [many!] faults. But they have a pretty good track record when it comes to consumer rights and consumer choice. Next up I'd like to see them do the same for the plethora of incompatible cordless power-tool systems out there as they did with insisting all mobile phones standardise on a USB connector.

I was pleased to see recently that a couple of different brands at my local DIY store had interoperable batteries. I bought a small lawnmower which now uses the same battery as a cordless drill from another brand. The brands that joined are listed on their marketing site[0]. Edit: One of the companies has a slightly less obnoxious website which also lists brands[1] [0] https://www.powerforall-alliance.com/en/#technol…

I’m glad we’re finally working towards standard batteries for power tools. I have to say that website is terrible.

Re: Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B

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Post by origin_path »

Normille wrote: post #87
imiric wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I may be able to choose from different manufacturers on the Android side, but on the software side there are just two options. What do you mean by "just two options"? The AOSP ecosystem has a healthy range of ROMs to choose from on many devices. The process of installing alternative firmware may not be for everyone, but the choice is there, which is pretty much nonexistent for iOS devices.

>The AOSP ecosystem has a healthy range of ROMs to choose from on many devices. But it's not true choice is it? It's just the same old same old with a different skin on top. Much the same as the similarly claimed 'choice' in Linux distros pretty much boils down to the same old same old collection of apps running on the same old same old collection of desktop environments. But with eleventy billion superficial skins l…

You can fork AOSP in arbitrary ways and have a pretty great OS. Most companies don't do this because they don't have any particular ideas about how to do Android's core differently - UI is one of the places where you can actually innovate and users will notice, so that's where the effort goes. But that's not Google's fault. They can't make Samsung have brilliant ideas about how to rearchitect the OS core.

Re: Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B

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Post by soheil »

typon wrote: post #9

What amount would these EU fines have to be to make companies like Google and Facebook decide to exit the EU?

I just want to point out in Russia those companies have little to no presence specially after the war. It's telling that we always hear it's a sign of oppression and authoritarianism if governments kicked out those services out of their country, but here we are people advocating for it in the EU.

Re: Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B

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Post by dahfizz »

synu wrote: post #84
p-e-w wrote: post #32

> This is Google's third EU antitrust fine. Previously, the search giant was fined in a shopping case and an online advertising case. Apparently, "three strikes and you're out" only applies to individuals, who with a repeat offense of this magnitude would have their lives destroyed by the justice system, and get locked away for a decade or more.

Wow, what country has three fines and you go to jail for a decade? That sounds intense.

In some places in the US, if you commit a felony 3 times, you go to jail for life. Usually it has to be a violent felony, but every state is different.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-strikes_law

Re: Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B

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Post by endisneigh »

layer8 wrote: post #138
endisneigh wrote: post #119

It’s not clear to me what the EU, specifically, wants Google to do here from the article. Any insight?

For example, not require that Chrome be preinstalled as the default browser on Android devices, and not require that a bundle of Google apps be preinstalled if any of them is preinstalled.

Is this not already possible with things like LineageOS?

Re: Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B

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Post by hellisothers »

wara23arish wrote: post #144
layer8 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For example, not require that Chrome be preinstalled as the default browser on Android devices, and not require that a bundle of Google apps be preinstalled if any of them is preinstalled.

there is no way to delete safari from iphones

I know it’s a nuance but Apple doesn’t license its OS to other manufacturers. So while Google dictates “if you use the Android OS you must bundle Chrome”, Apple isn’t dictating terms like that to another manufacturer.

Re: Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B

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Post by pmontra »

Google's reaction.

> We are disappointed that the Court did not annul the decision in full. Android has created more choice for everyone, not less, and supports thousands of successful businesses in Europe and around the world.

s/Android/Windows/ and s/Europe/USA/ and it could be Microsoft at the end of the antitrust case in the 90s.

Re: Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B

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Post by origin_path »

statusfailed wrote: post #28
davidguetta wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

It mostly funds projects: > Approximately 94% of the EU budget funds programmes and projects both within member states and outside the EU. Less than 7% of the budget is used for administrative costs, and less than 3% is spent on EU civil servants' salaries. From [0], see also [1] [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_the_European_Union#P... [1]: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/about-parliament/en/organisat...

That's a tautology, the spending for every government will primarily go on "programmes and projects".

Re: Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B

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Post by wvenable »

Normille wrote: post #87
imiric wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I may be able to choose from different manufacturers on the Android side, but on the software side there are just two options. What do you mean by "just two options"? The AOSP ecosystem has a healthy range of ROMs to choose from on many devices. The process of installing alternative firmware may not be for everyone, but the choice is there, which is pretty much nonexistent for iOS devices.

>The AOSP ecosystem has a healthy range of ROMs to choose from on many devices. But it's not true choice is it? It's just the same old same old with a different skin on top. Much the same as the similarly claimed 'choice' in Linux distros pretty much boils down to the same old same old collection of apps running on the same old same old collection of desktop environments. But with eleventy billion superficial skins l…

I'm not clear on what you want? There are two mobile operating systems, do you want some company to make another one? What is stopping them?

Re: Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B

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Post by dahfizz »

trasz wrote: post #116
Normille wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the few areas where I think the US has got it right. No-one should need more than 3 chances to stop being a dick.

This law results in people landing in jail for being poor: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/cruel-an...

This law results in people landing in jail for being habitual criminals. Being poor does not excuse criminal behavior.
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