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A remarkable kid has died in Newcastle, Utah

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Re: A remarkable kid has died in Newcastle, Utah

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Okay so, I have to say, at first this was a pretty feel-bad story for me. I then noticed a tidbit of information in another article about it that somehow made me feel different: Cole Summers didn't know how to swim. He was out on the water in a kayak, with no life jacket, with only an autistic child for company - and didn't know how to swim. Somehow it stopped feeling like a tragic accident and more like carelessness…

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Re: A remarkable kid has died in Newcastle, Utah

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Mexico is of course full of some lovely places, but cartel violence has been increasing since around 1990 (so 30 years) and has spiked quite dramatically in the past 20 years.

And the difference between "fly into a tourist zone" and "drive across the border into 'real Mexico'" is a huge one. If you do it, you should know quite a bit or have a local so that you can notice situations before they begin. Sure, the chance of actually being beheaded by a cartel is probably relatively slim, but it's a risk you don't need to take.

Monterrey is a tourist zone? Huh? I’m talking about the largest industrial city in northern Mexico, one that’s closely linked to the Texas economy, not Cancun.

I speak fluent Spanish and have traveled all over these areas and I think the original poster’s idea that Mexico is now off limits is about 95% media fear and hype at best.

But hey if they want to stay home in Waco or Uvalde or wherever they live to avoid violent situations that is certainly their choice.

Re: A remarkable kid has died in Newcastle, Utah

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I feel like there is a huge elephant in the room here of how shitty Utah’s support system evidently is. No money to assist his disabled parents and his autistic brother. This whole family was living in desperate, grinding poverty, and that gave this kid a super strong urge to try and get out of it instead of having a childhood.

With you on the first part, not so much on the second. He seems to enjoy what he does and retain a sense of child-like wonder about the world. If the article is accurate, his curiosity and drive were fueled rather than suppressed.

Re: A remarkable kid has died in Newcastle, Utah

#154

I feel like there is a huge elephant in the room here of how shitty Utah’s support system evidently is. No money to assist his disabled parents and his autistic brother. This whole family was living in desperate, grinding poverty, and that gave this kid a super strong urge to try and get out of it instead of having a childhood.

I disagree with this sentiment. You wish to take away the very condition which made him uniquely special. He seems like he was enjoying his childhood. Adversity breeds character and this kid had more than character than some entire classrooms.

Adversity can potentially breed character. Sometimes it just breaks people or merely stunts their growth and potential.

Re: A remarkable kid has died in Newcastle, Utah

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TLDR America’s most remarkable kid didn't know how to swim at age 14 and drowned while kayaking not wearing life jacket I dunno, but I find that remarkably stupid, but I guess US has different standards for what's remarkable.

No, it is very typically stupid. Exactly the kind of thing young men and boys do often, which is engaging in risky behavior without thinking. Most of the time the result is stupid fun. Unfortunately some are unlucky.

Re: A remarkable kid has died in Newcastle, Utah

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This isn’t really true except for random edge cases. The people leading countries go to school and get law degrees. People leading business got college degrees or worked in business for decades. You can pull edge cases like Patagonia’s Yvon Chouinard, but even then he spent a lot of time in his 20s running his business.

If you define 'leading countries' narrowly enough, everyone in that category becomes a random edge case. Less flippantly, you should expect people running high-variance strategies to be overrepresented at the top. The people leading countries may go to school and get law degrees, but if they stay the path of doing what everyone else does but better, they end up an unremarkable partner at a law firm or something, not…

I trust he was talking about people who like Martin Luther King, Jr. not just good in common way.

Re: A remarkable kid has died in Newcastle, Utah

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I mean, do we believe any of this? An 8 year old isn’t running a business and selling to restaurants in a different state. No business would purchase from an 8 year, no business would ship goods from an 8 year old, no bank gives a loan to a 9 year old. The list goes on and on. Incredibly sad that a child has died, but this reads as pure fantasy.

Likely there's a kernel of truth here: a kid growing up in desperate poverty and having to be resourceful to survive. But it seems pretty clear that there are people who have a lot riding on his story: looking up "Cole Summers" brings up mostly blogs for me, typically associated with either the home-/unschooling movement or conservatism, presenting his story with the underlying message: "See what happens if you don't let schools/the government brainwash your child and just let them develop naturally. They will become entrepreneurial geniuses and restore American values." That's not to say that this story is a lie, just that the people telling this story have incentive to exaggerate the kid's achievements, and I see no reason to take them at their word.

Re: A remarkable kid has died in Newcastle, Utah

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What's weird to me is that somebody would have such a hard time accepting verifiable facts about a gifted outlier who happens to be remarkably young but also reads Hacker News on a Sunday night, presumably because they see themselves as someone who is involved in the tech/startup economy. The whole reason that there's a story here is because it's exceptional. If he hadn't been an outlier, there would be no story. The…

> What's weird to me is that somebody would have such a hard time accepting verifiable facts about a gifted outlier who happens to be remarkably young Where are the verifiable facts? Where are the citations? You may see the story as just a list of 'verifiable facts,' but that's absolutely not what it is. I'm not saying I think the whole thing is made up, but it isn't simply a collection of attestations that any indiv…

He couldn’t have financed the tractor himself, as people under 18 cannot legally sign a binding contract. I can’t see the bank or finance company letting that slide.

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>(One of my favorite anecdotes on this subject: One of the best entrepreneurs I know went down to Mexico and hitchhiked all over when she was 18 years old. And every family that picked her up told her that what she was doing was very dangerous and that she was very lucky to be picked up by that family, instead of someone more dangerous. But at the time she was very innocent. 20 years later I ran into her and I was li…

Likewise my 2nd generation German-American aunt hitchhiked by herself from Morocco to Cairo (and spent time in many, many places in-between) in the 1970's for about 6 months and had no issues at the time. Places certainly do change.

Well, hitchhiking in Morocco certainly still works, and a few years ago, before the war in Lybia started, I would say you could have reached Egypt without major problems. But yes, right now I would not recommend it.
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