Live data from Hacker News

Sony Android TVs waste 25W in standby due to built-in Google Chromecast

avsforum.com

151–160 of 260 posts

Re: Sony Android TVs waste 25W in standby due to built-in Google Chromecast

#151
post #88

How much does an Apple TV 4k 2nd gen use? My 4k first gen turned off when I turned off the TV. The 2nd gen does not. I assume it has something to do with the iot support

https://www.techspot.com/news/95809-streaming-media-player-p...

Idle: 0.30w, In use: 3.03w-5.58w

Re: Sony Android TVs waste 25W in standby due to built-in Google Chromecast

#152
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t want to do this with an OLED TV though.

I'm seeing videos and articles saying that leaving it on is to let the OLED pixels refresh every 4 hours. How important is it, really? The pixel refresh thing doesn't seem to make any scientific sense to me as a layperson.

The name is just branding nonsense. The TV just measures the degradation of pixels when not in use and uses that information to compensate.

Re: Sony Android TVs waste 25W in standby due to built-in Google Chromecast

#153
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A chest is much better. The reason is intuitive: if you open it the cold air remains inside except for a little turbulence at the top and, of course, the new air that pours in to replace whatever you’ve just removed. Whereas, when you open an upright one, cold air immediately starts pouring out the bottom of the opening, with warmer air coming in at the top to replace it.

The thermal mass of the air is tiny - cooling it is negligible. Chest freezers have better insulation and door seals, which is why they're more efficient.

> The thermal mass of the air is tiny

> Chest freezers have better [...] door seals

Hmm.

Is it outlandish to think that a modern standing freezer with working seals will let less air out the seals than is exchanged by opening the door even a couple of times a week?

Modern standing freezers are starting to get drawers with sides in them now, presumably for reducing air loss while it's open. And seals are practically air-tight (if you've lived in a place with high humidity, even tiny gaps or holes in the seal causes noticeable condensation and water build up. So I'm skeptical about the seal claim. Better insulation may be true.

Re: Sony Android TVs waste 25W in standby due to built-in Google Chromecast

#154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels like over optimization. The base load of my house is around 1kW which is still completely irrelevant in the scheme of how much owning the property costs. The literal cost you’re adding as well as the mental cost of having to switch things on and off all the time shouldn’t be ignored. There’s a timer on the outlets for the soldering gear though, that adds a bit of peace of mind.

Thays 50x the base load of my house, and would cost thousands a year to run idle. With current costs in the UK, close to $10,000

[deleted]

Re: Sony Android TVs waste 25W in standby due to built-in Google Chromecast

#155

Chromecasts in general seem like big power hogs... I don't need you to use 20 watts all the time to show a shiny background image and a clock... I really wish users who spend "Just" $/€/£ 40 on a Chromecast knew that it is going to cost them the same amount every year on their bill. I think many of those people wouldn't buy one if they realised they are almost buying a subscription. Google could adjust them to just d…

> I don't need you to use 20 watts all the time to show a shiny background image and a clock... Even the latest Chromecast (4K with Google TV) requires a 7.5W power supply [1], it can't possibly draw 20W. Also it looks like it idles at around 1W [2]. [1] https://support.google.com/chromecast/answer/3046409 [2] https://www.techspot.com/news/95809-streaming-media-player-p...

I just measured my Chromecast Ultra (earlier 4K model) at a wall power idle of 3.2 to 3.8 watts. Explains why it's always toasty. The Switch while charging two controllers, the TV, and the speaker bar idle at a total of 6.2 watts.

I wish the Switch would turn off rather than use its battery when I kill power to the cradle. At that point I could probably develop the habit of hitting the power strip switch.

Re: Sony Android TVs waste 25W in standby due to built-in Google Chromecast

#156
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels like over optimization. The base load of my house is around 1kW which is still completely irrelevant in the scheme of how much owning the property costs. The literal cost you’re adding as well as the mental cost of having to switch things on and off all the time shouldn’t be ignored. There’s a timer on the outlets for the soldering gear though, that adds a bit of peace of mind.

In the PG&E service territory in California, that base load will run you about $5500 annually. That's more than the property tax on my townhouse.

You guys are over $0.60/kWh?! That’s 3x what we’re paying in MA (known for “not cheap” electricity).

That would make an EV much less attractive as well.

Re: Sony Android TVs waste 25W in standby due to built-in Google Chromecast

#157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love that my home screen is now jammed full of bullshit and it cannot be used without a Google account and if you use your personal Google account Nvidia needs a ton of permissions. Other than that I actually do the love the little device but I feel more and more jerked around when I shell out only to have junk foisted on me later.

I thought about getting a Shield. But only as a low maintenance Plex Server appliance. I wouldn’t voluntarily look at any interface on my TV designed by an ad company. I have a few Roku TVs around my house and I recommend them to most people. But I also have AppleTVs connected to my most used TVs.

Rasplex?

Re: Sony Android TVs waste 25W in standby due to built-in Google Chromecast

#158

I have a 2020 model I bought from Costco and as slow and shitty the UI is it also still burns 16W in standby. There isn't a way to disable Chromecast either so thanks for nothing Sony and Google. I need a dumb tv and Nvidia sheild. Edit: I take the standby power usage part back. After settings changes including Eco stuff and something to do with remote start and a restart it's at 4W which is very acceptable. The UI i…

Yeah my Sony tv from about that same year is the worst TV i've ever owned by far. Theres crazy bugs like when you leave a show or youtube paused it will just randomly start playing again after 10 minutes. The UI is very slow and unresponsive. If you smash the up/down volume too fast it disconnects from the soundbar. The remote is like something from the 1980s with 1000 buttons on it.

By comparison my Samsung TV is an absolute joy to use. The UI is responsive, works like you expect it to, The remote is wonderful. It really amazes me how Sony was a leader in the 80s and 90s then ate the dirt hard after the iPod and now 15+ years later they still haven't reorganized and got their act together to be a leader in anything except maybe camera sensors for smartphones.

Re: Sony Android TVs waste 25W in standby due to built-in Google Chromecast

#159
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the PG&E service territory in California, that base load will run you about $5500 annually. That's more than the property tax on my townhouse.

You guys are over $0.60/kWh?! That’s 3x what we’re paying in MA (known for “not cheap” electricity). That would make an EV much less attractive as well.

42 to 49 cents depending on time of day.

https://www.pge.com/tariffs/assets/pdf/tariffbook/ELEC_SCHED...

Re: Sony Android TVs waste 25W in standby due to built-in Google Chromecast

#160
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cable modems and servers weren’t designed for standby. Also, if we’re talking consumer tech from the 1970’s or 1980’s, I think it’s twofold. Firstly, the market cared more about “time to wake up” than about power usage. People had fewer devices, they were (relatively) more expensive, and people were used to fully switching off stuff, so standby power usage wasn’t seen as a big issue. Secondly, the tech itself didn’t…

What power supply has CPU in it?

Every macbook power supply from who knows when does.

Here's a teardown of a 2015 macbook pro charger that includes a Texas Instruments MSP430.

https://www.righto.com/2015/11/macbook-charger-teardown-surp...

Post reply on HN