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Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

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Post by mrguyorama »

ceejayoz wrote: post #83
refurb wrote: post #68

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No, I think the sanctions came from expropriating US property without restitution.

Can the Hawaiians place similar sanctions on the US for doing the same thing? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_history_of_the_United... looks like it could get... expensive.

Absolutely they can try. But who will come to their rescue when the federal government comes to impose it's opinion?

Anyone can say anyone else is bad and "take action" against it. What matters is whether the rest of the world agrees with you or not.

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

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Post by mrguyorama »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #134
antonyh wrote: post #108

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I don't think the French government care much because the EU gives them more bargaining power. If they were bound beyond political pressure then we'd have French or EU embargos against Cuba for the last 60 years. France doesn't stand alone nor does the UK despite leaving the EU, which is why I object to US foreign policy spilling over political borders via internet-based tech companies.

We (France) had contracts in Iran. The US decided that Iran is bad. So far so good. Then the US said that everyone must leave Iran, and if they do not, their presence in the US will be harmed and they will not be allowed to trade in USD. We asked the EU for help. The EU said that this is really [bad|unfriendly|unethical|immoral|whatever] of the US to behave that way and that we are, collectively, definitely offended.…

The US only has this power because everyone relies on the USA to do everything. Stop relying on the US and we can stop caring about how the US treats the rest of the world.

Being gay is illegal in some parts of the world but my gay friends don't care because they don't do business with those countries, don't participate in any commerce that does business in those countries, etc. Your country will cease being bound by US law when you cease to rely on the US for whatever.

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

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Post by imwillofficial »

imwillofficial wrote: post #45
lovellcw wrote: post #38

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Cuba exports terrorism and misery across the region. The dictatorships in Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua fly under the radar these days, but are no less noxious to humanity than the regimes in Russia, Iran, NK, etc. You can argue whether or not sanctions are an effective way to promote regime change, or if they just hurt the regular citizens of rogue governments. I think they are often quite ineffective. But there's…

“Cuba exports terrorism and misery across the region.” ::walks away whistling hoping you don’t notice Iraq and Afghanistan’s blown up weddings::

Since this post has blown up. Let me clarify my point.

The US has zero moral authority to impose sanctions based on violations of human rights while simultaneously violating human rights on a global scale.

Additionally, we have seen the effects of sanctions, the average people suffer even more, and the regime stays the same.

Arguably the people of Cuba are worse off after sanctions than before.

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

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Post by Nextgrid »

philliphaydon wrote: post #55
Nextgrid wrote: post #48

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If Windows didn't turn into a shit-show post-Windows 7 I would prefer Active Directory over all of this mess. Log in once with your password or smartcard and that auth magically works across all applications without ever seeing a login screen or dozens of redirects to do the SAML flow, at least for internal tools. For external stuff, SAML/OIDC is kind of a necessary evil I think (I'm not sure if there's anything prev…

Windows 11 is so much superior to 7 in every way.

Modern Windows has great improvements at the kernel level and OS internals but both the UI and general direction of the product (more focused on media consumption, services and the “attention economy”) is a massive downgrade.

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

ceejayoz wrote: post #144
SaintSeiya wrote: post #118

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There's no "blockade" of US against the dictatorial communist regime of Cuba, just an embargo. which is totally different. Proof of that is the thousand of Canadians that go to Cuba to have cheap sex with poor people including minors, something they cannot do on their country. With a blockade you could not do that. Basically the Cuban government is a mafia, that never pays back what it owes to other countries on top…

The question isn't "does Cuba do shitty things?", though. The question is a) "why is Cuba singled out over places like China that do similar (and often worse) shitty things?" b) "why are we ignoring decades of failure of the embargo to induce any meaningful change?"

Exactly. And I would add that the shitty things about regime in Cuba are somewhat contiguous with the previous shitty (Batista) regime. Both repressive. Both awful. The biggest appreciable difference is: American vs not-American (former Soviet) control/domination.

I think Obama at least sensed that the best way to get Cuba into a more functional state and better neighbour was to take the "but we're embargoed!" excuse away from the regime there. Trump undid that.

BTW the only time I came across sex tourism in Cuba, it was indeed a creepy guy with two young (probably minor) girls. In a cafe in Havana. But the guy was not Canadian, he was American. And repulsive.

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

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Post by npc54321 »

smcl wrote: post #143
npc54321 wrote: post #129

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I think if you want to take part in discussions like this you should either inform yourself a bit beforehand, or enter them with an open mind. Otherwise you’re going to blunder in with clown shoes on and make yourself look like a conservative talk radio show caller

You win man.

In the Soviet Union the intellectuals supporting communism revolution were the first sent to gulags.

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

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Post by npc54321 »

smcl wrote: post #143
npc54321 wrote: post #129

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Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

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Post by smcl »

npc54321 wrote: post #158
smcl wrote: post #143

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I think if you want to take part in discussions like this you should either inform yourself a bit beforehand, or enter them with an open mind. Otherwise you’re going to blunder in with clown shoes on and make yourself look like a conservative talk radio show caller

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(you forgot to switch to your alt for the second comment btw)

No you're missing the point. You don't have to choose a side and go to bat for it. You don't have to defend Batista and reject Castro and what he originally wanted for the Cuban people (or vice versa!). You can understand what each side wanted during the conflict, read into what they did and who they were supported by (note: the Cuban population supported Castro). It's not binary - Castro wasn't a universally good person to be worshipped, far from it. That kind of flawless person never exists.

Take George Washington (yes yes, whataboutism I don't care). He stood up to the Brits, and kicked the fuck out of them. That's good! As a Brit I can say that's a fucking good thing to have done. And yet we can acknowledge he was a slaver who likely did a lot of shitty things in his life. That doesn't mean the USA is bad - it just shows you can't draw a nice clean good/bad line, it's messier than that.

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

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Post by smcl »

npc54321 wrote: post #157
smcl wrote: post #143

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I think if you want to take part in discussions like this you should either inform yourself a bit beforehand, or enter them with an open mind. Otherwise you’re going to blunder in with clown shoes on and make yourself look like a conservative talk radio show caller

You win man. In the Soviet Union the intellectuals supporting communism revolution were the first sent to gulags.

It's very adult of you to concede defeat. And if I was promoting the Soviet Union then it would be a pretty harsh own on me ... if it was true. But the "kulaks" (the land-owning peasants) were the first sent to the gulags - not exactly a nice thing worth celebrating, but hey there we go.

Good news though, I wasn't promoting the Soviet Union! I was simply saying that you don't understand what Cuba was like before, during and after the revolution. And that you don't fully understand either side, where their allegiances lay (note: the Soviet Union had given up on Latin America and the Caribbean by that point... hmm), what their intentions were and how they intended to implement them.

It's actually really easy to learn about it, and basically everyone is in agreement as to how it all went down. It's nuanced, as is all of history, but you can definitely read about it and find out. You just can't be bothered - you've heard that it's a binary situation: that Cuba are the bad guys and the USA are the good guys and that's it.

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