Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system • Hacker News Board

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by simiones » Tue, Sep 13, 2022, 12:24 PM UTC

sandworm101 wrote: post #142

Liquix wrote: post #107

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Question: without modifying my acrual license plates, can i paint my car in a way that would confuse license plate readers? False plates elsewhere on the car? Lines to confuse pattern recognition into rejecting the true plate?

I remember there was some successful SQL injection string printed on a "license plate" that took down a national system somewhere, so you can try with some additional license plate-like bars.

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by themaninthedark » Tue, Sep 13, 2022, 12:30 PM UTC

hoseja wrote: post #117

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Yes, the feel of the paper in particular is impossible to casually replicate. However, what makes you think a particular minimum wage employee can actually feel the paper? People get injuries that affect their senses in weird ways. It’s still not fair to say that they “deserve it.” That said, I agree that Photoshop should not have this code. It’s on the Photoshop user to not be an asshole. That shouldn’t be Adobe’s p…

>a particular minimum wage employee Well then perhaps that should be the cost of employing people with minimum training for minimum wages. No sympathy.

I feel the same way about food and food safety. If you can't train your employees to recognize milk adulterated with melamine, no sympathy.

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by edgyquant » Tue, Sep 13, 2022, 12:48 PM UTC

Kiro wrote: post #108

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They'll just have the AI blur out the shirt and keep your face. I just hold up my middle finger directly in front of my face.

How would they blur the shirt if they can't open the file?

AI doesn’t use photoshop

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by grishka » Tue, Sep 13, 2022, 12:53 PM UTC

ta988 wrote: post #49

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That's the final form of the nft. Where you own a url pointing to a file that can't be opened. There have to be a lot of those in the wild already.

Only in Photoshop in that case so that's not really impossible to open with the myriad of other software.

And even Photoshop can be patched. Software isn't immutable.

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by edgyquant » Tue, Sep 13, 2022, 12:54 PM UTC

hda2 wrote: post #56

molszanski wrote: post #12

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Try to put a bill on any copier machine or try to print a bill on your home printer ;)

I tried that the first time I heard about the EURion constellation[1] a few years back. Printed fine. It was a Brother printer. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation

When I was a kid we used to print out fake hundred dollar bills all the time to play pranks on friends etc.

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by edgyquant » Tue, Sep 13, 2022, 12:54 PM UTC

molszanski wrote: post #12

chrismsimpson wrote: post #8

More proprietary software treating their users like criminals as the default.

Try to put a bill on any copier machine or try to print a bill on your home printer ;)

I’ve never had issues printing a dollar bill on a home printer

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by drfuchs » Tue, Sep 13, 2022, 12:58 PM UTC

taviso wrote: post #3

A few years ago I extracted the CDS logic and got it working in Linux so I could experiment with it: https://twitter.com/taviso/status/902997594460135424 I had planned to see if I could come up with an image that would still be detected even with significant distortion, and then print it on a t-shirt... The idea being you couldn't open a photograph of me in PhotoShop! :) I got sidetracked, but I should get back to th…

The cover of Mad Magazine #198, when they were finally forced to mess up the aesthetics with a UPC barcode, is instructive:

https://archive.org/details/mad-magazine-198-1978

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by rosnd » Tue, Sep 13, 2022, 12:59 PM UTC

kazinator wrote: post #24

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What legitimate use case can you think of where the benefit of faithfully reproducing currency is not outweighed by the need to prevent the proliferation of counterfeit currency?

Making Monopoly money for the kids? You cannot make counterfeit currency with Photoshop. Paper money has security features that won't even convert to pixels in the first place, like holograms, transparencies and fibers embedded in the paper and such, never mind reproduce by conventional printing. This whole deterrence system is idiotic. People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve…

Having produced copies of holograms in the past, I definitely had to draw them in Photoshop (Illustrator really).

Same goes for features like transparencies, watermarks, etc.

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by themaninthedark » Tue, Sep 13, 2022, 12:59 PM UTC

t0bia_s wrote: post #144

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It already started... not in Photoshop, but don't forget the plans Apple had for the iPhones...

I know, but iCloud is not tool for creativity. If we implement political correctness into creative tools, we just put another layer of censorship to self-expression. Publishing on social networks follows. We just create ultimate dystopian society step by step. Of course because of our safety. Do anyone actually belive that those "protection implementation" will reduce actual fraud? Criminals will use other tools anyw…

>I know, but iCloud is not tool for creativity.

I don't use Apple products myself but if iCloud was part of the pathway, ie edit on iPad, only way to transfer is via iCloud....

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by umtksa » Tue, Sep 13, 2022, 1:11 PM UTC

And yes if you are working for a banking company (or any visual about money) you're gonna have a bad time. My solution was using a placeholder image for money same size. Than change it with gimp after work done on photoshop.