Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida • Hacker News Board

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Post by pseingatl » Mon, Sep 12, 2022, 2:22 PM UTC

MerelyMortal wrote: post #144

ramesh31 wrote: post #67

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> Automation and chutes are fine but we keep seeing incidents where lack of judgement, planning or basic stick and rudder skills were contributory. The same reason modern high performance singles like the TBM are known as “dentist killers”. The profusion of technology that eliminated those stick and rudder skills has led to a lot of inexperienced pilots getting into situations they shouldn’t ever be in.

I've only heard the "dentist killers" phrase used in association with V-tail aircraft.

Which the Cirrus is. Is there a reason they selected this design?

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Post by LorenPechtel » Mon, Sep 12, 2022, 4:06 PM UTC

mumumu wrote: post #86

LorenPechtel wrote: post #70

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If a pilot were to call mayday and say they're landing on runway 6 everyone would be trying to ensure runway 6 was clear. The only way 6 would be blocked is if there was something already on it that couldn't be moved in time. Think of a mayday call as the lights and sirens of the sky.

I think this apply to any kind of emergency. Planes can squawk a codes to signal emergency w/o rádio and get the controller attention. Mayday call is used on life threatening situations.

Yeah--the point is that a plane under robot control like that is going to be calling mayday and everyone on the frequency is going to make way for it if possible. You make way for a plane calling mayday like you make way for any vehicle running lights and sirens--but in the sky there's a lot more ability to make room and a lot more enforcement against anyone who doesn't obey.

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Post by ramesh31 » Mon, Sep 12, 2022, 9:25 PM UTC

pseingatl wrote: post #151

MerelyMortal wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've only heard the "dentist killers" phrase used in association with V-tail aircraft.

Which the Cirrus is. Is there a reason they selected this design?

Which the Cirrus is. Is there a reason they selected this design?

Vision Jet is a great airplane with a sound design. But they are akin to the general aviation equivalent of a Ferrari or Lamborghini. Lots of fun and perfectly safe if you know what you’re doing. Disastrous if not.

It really just comes down to training. An aircraft with this level of performance would have only been flown by someone with an ATP certificate 20 years ago. Now anyone with money and a PPL + type rating can get into situations they have no ability to correct.

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Post by stevehawk » Tue, Sep 13, 2022, 2:02 PM UTC

nopzor wrote: post #126

atdrummond wrote: post #74

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Single engine is more likely what the poster meant than single pilot, no?

that’s what i meant. what makes this plane unique is its single jet engine. this also makes running costs lower.

Ah, ok. There is another one coming, which will be neat. Right now it's an EAB but they're working towards type certification. https://www.stratosaircraft.com/716-aircraft

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Post by MichaelZuo » Tue, Sep 13, 2022, 3:06 PM UTC

busterarm wrote: post #129

mlyle wrote: post #97

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If you pull the parachute, it's very likely to be a hull loss. There are a whole lot of scenarios where you might pull the parachute but have a decent chance of getting down safely. So, the parachute optimizes for occupant survival, but not survival of property. Insurers are in a conflicted scenario here: lowering injury claims but increasing property losses.

Teslas are in a very similar position and you can get insurance for those. It's a total loss if you need any kind of body work (due to absurdly long wait times and Tesla considering damn near everything on the car structural) or anything related to the battery (due to replacement cost).

I heard Tesla insurance is nearly always more expensive than average though?