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Re: Cloudflare Warp

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Post by matt_attack »

nemo44x wrote: post #87

> We believe privacy is a right. We won't sell your data, ever. There’s no reason to believe this. This is the same company that publicly stated their principled position relating to the culture of free speech and then flip-flopped not even 3 days later. It’s not about that issue but rather that this company has lost credibility and should not be trusted with any promises. Keep at arms length.

Indeed. I just remembered I was using their DNS service and disabled it because clearly they can't be trusted.

Re: Cloudflare Warp

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Post by Varloom »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #100
sillystuff wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your ISP can collect your traffic history AND trivially connect that history to your identity, and sell/provide data to brokers, TLAs, police etc. Cloudflare can collect your traffic history, but can only connect that history to your originating IP + timestamp. Their official client may be able to collect more info though. But, warp is just wireguard, so you do not need to run their official client there are shell/py…

> Your ISP can collect your traffic history AND trivially connect that history to your identity, and sell/provide data to brokers, TLAs, police etc. That's exaggerating quite a bit. Maybe in 2005 they had that sort of insight, but with HTTPS everywhere things are different. Your ISP can only see which IPs you're connecting to, possibly which hosts you're looking up depending on your setup but DNS-over-TLS and the lik…

Wrong, even with HTTPS & secure DNS, your ISP can see every site you visit in plain text from SNI requests.

Re: Cloudflare Warp

#153

Post by Varloom »

sillystuff wrote: post #106
rubyfan wrote: post #43

I’ve been a Warp+ user for some time now and I’m mostly happy. My online privacy is important to me. I use ad blockers too in addition to cloudflare. A couple of things I’ve noticed along the way… 1. Switching off my wi-fi network and then rejoining later used to be an issue but seems to have resolved some time ago (mobile) 2. It seems on macOS that almost every time I login I need to update the client. 3. Usually si…

Biggest pain points with Warp for me are lately, due to all the abuse by scrapers and such, quite a few sites just throw a 403 when I try to connect to them through Warp including my bank-- consider yourself lucky that you haven't been affected yet. And, most of the time, if I try to use Google search, I just get, "Our systems have detected unusual traffic from your computer network. This page checks to see if it's r…

Are you using free or paid Wrap ? Paid wrap hides your original IP (unlike the free) and generally the IPs have good reputation (no CAPTCHA).

Re: Cloudflare Warp

#154

Post by Varloom »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #89
rubyfan wrote: post #43

I’ve been a Warp+ user for some time now and I’m mostly happy. My online privacy is important to me. I use ad blockers too in addition to cloudflare. A couple of things I’ve noticed along the way… 1. Switching off my wi-fi network and then rejoining later used to be an issue but seems to have resolved some time ago (mobile) 2. It seems on macOS that almost every time I login I need to update the client. 3. Usually si…

Cloudflare Warp is not meant for anonymity. If you're using the free tier (and maybe the plus tier too?), websites behind Cloudflare are able to see your origin IP.

Plus (paid) tier started giving anonymous IPs.

Re: Cloudflare Warp

#155

Post by Varloom »

syntaxing wrote: post #131

Pardon on my ignorance in this subject but is this more than an encrypted DNS? Is there any security issues using this?

Encrypted DNS doesn't encrypt SNI, your ISP can see all domains your visit in plain text.

Re: Cloudflare Warp

#156

Post by jbirer »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #45
marginalia_nu wrote: post #24

Kinda uneasy about how Cloudflare is positioning themselves to have insight into a huge chunk of the Internet's traffic (very much like Google has). Even though there's no visible abuse right now, you know, Google's motto also used to be "don't be evil".

"Your ISP looks at which websites your browsing, oh the horror! Instead trust us, as an internet behemoth bigger than any ISP in the world with that data!" I also don‘t really get their argument here?

By using Warp you can skip the ISP middleman and give your data straight to FBI, much more efficient

Re: Cloudflare Warp

#157

Post by marginalia_nu »

Varloom wrote: post #152
marginalia_nu wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your ISP can collect your traffic history AND trivially connect that history to your identity, and sell/provide data to brokers, TLAs, police etc. That's exaggerating quite a bit. Maybe in 2005 they had that sort of insight, but with HTTPS everywhere things are different. Your ISP can only see which IPs you're connecting to, possibly which hosts you're looking up depending on your setup but DNS-over-TLS and the lik…

Wrong, even with HTTPS & secure DNS, your ISP can see every site you visit in plain text from SNI requests.

ESNI is a thing, which Cloudflare ironically supports.

Re: Cloudflare Warp

#158

Post by guywithahat »

socialismisok wrote: post #11
phantom_of_cato wrote: post #10

Quoted post unavailable.

Is their DDOS service censored?

There was a recent controversy where an activist named "Keffals" posted something violent and threatening on KiwiFarms about herself, screenshotted and deleted it (it's not clear to me whether she deleted the post or if it was removed, however I know her account was banned), and then used the screenshot to lobby CloudFlare to take down the site. After this became known CloudFlare has held steady in their commitment to not allow the site back up.

That said it's not an especially nice site, however where CloudFlare has removed sites in the past they've slowly been censoring less and less radical sites, which has people concerned since it's a "backbone of the internet" type service. Ironically CloudFlare made a blog post a few days before banning KiwiFarms expressing this exact sentiment before doubling back on it https://archive.ph/gJXgF

Re: Cloudflare Warp

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Post by sillystuff »

Varloom wrote: post #153
sillystuff wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Biggest pain points with Warp for me are lately, due to all the abuse by scrapers and such, quite a few sites just throw a 403 when I try to connect to them through Warp including my bank-- consider yourself lucky that you haven't been affected yet. And, most of the time, if I try to use Google search, I just get, "Our systems have detected unusual traffic from your computer network. This page checks to see if it's r…

Are you using free or paid Wrap ? Paid wrap hides your original IP (unlike the free) and generally the IPs have good reputation (no CAPTCHA).

> Are you using free or paid Wrap ?

free

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