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It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Wow, this is the most entitled attitude I've seen in a long time. You let your kids play online, where they can communicate with basically anyone. So the solution is to grant a central authority total power to ban anyone who doesn't comply with the standards you want for your children. This is the online equivalent of a homophobe complaining that two men holding hands in the park will turn their children gay.

I understand your point, but I would be upset if I took my family to Chuck E Cheese's and there was a table full of adults loudly talking about their raunchy escapades from the night before. I think it is a fair assumption that a child's game will have clean chat.

It's Chuck E Cheese's. Pretty sure that is a private business. They can mostly do what they want in most jurisdictions. If you want to censor communication in your own home, go for it.

If I paid for a license for Minecraft Java edition, why can't my friends and I play and communicate as we see fit?

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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I strongly disagree with Microsoft's stance. But I also think the issue is way overblown. You can simply mod servers so that they don't have this chat reporting. If everyone in the Minecraft community is so opposed, just create and exclusively join modded servers. Does not matter if they get labeled "Not Secure" if 90% of well-known popular servers have it, and there are tools and tutorials everywhere which make it s…

> You can simply mod servers so that they don't have this chat reporting.

This will keep people from getting banned on your server, but it doesn't do anything to help all of the people who have already been banned.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Hi, orsond from the fifth column here. The Fifth Column is a Minecraft hacking and griefing group. We created Project Copenhiemer which is a Minecraft server scanning tool. Copenhiemer scans the internet every 20 minutes for minecraft servers, logs players, server versions, mods and more. Originally we had created it to find players and grief their server worlds, highlighting how much information about players is lea…

How do you propose MS/Mojang determine who is and is not an actual child? Require parents to provide legal documents of their children? Photographic confirmation? Time and time again it has been proven that attempts to segregate the internet into adult/child zones will fail.

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Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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post #105

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That's not the deal with proprietary software. The deal is that you buy a license to software, the terms of which can be altered at any time. It's fundamental to the model of proprietary software. It's not theirs. It's the company's, and the company can do what they want with it. There's no reason refunds should be offered, as the consumers got what they paid for: A license to software, with certain conditions for te…

Why is this downvoted? This is literally the TOS of much proprietary software out there. People don't read the TOS?

TOS are often not legally valid.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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I think this is probably an autistic take on this, but I think we care way to much about exposing kids to mean words and mean people. Again, perhaps an autistic take, but being bullied (badly) as a kid was easily the best thing that ever happened to me in terms of mental resilience.

Imagine we got into an argument and I got angry and called you a "smelly poo poo", you'd probably just laugh because despite what I'm saying being mean and profanity it's also such an insignificant insult that it borders on comical. But to a kid that might actually be quite offensive and hurtful and that's because they haven't built a tolerance.

I suspect this might be why a lot people today feel that words can be violent - they simply haven't built up a tolerance for offensive speech. And sometimes in the real world people can be offensive and mean.

Another thing I'll add here is that in the UK working class guys really like to insult each other. Given the types of individuals who browse HN I know most here won't relate to this, but it's actually kinda fun to be a dick to your friend. And further I'd argue that guys actually bond in part by playfighting and teasing each other. I get that what I'm saying here is very context dependent, but some of the best times of my childhood was playing video games with my friends and saying all kinds of horrid stuff to them. If I had to guess 80% of the stuff we'd say to each other on voice chat was insults but it was hilarious.

Kids are way stronger than we tend to think. If you teach a kid they're a victim because someone said something mean then they'll probably believe it and see themselves as a victim. On the other hand, if you act like mean words are no big deal and that sometimes people can be mean then they'll probably grow up much better prepared to handle the real world. At least in my experience / opinion.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

#156

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Wow, this is the most entitled attitude I've seen in a long time. You let your kids play online, where they can communicate with basically anyone. So the solution is to grant a central authority total power to ban anyone who doesn't comply with the standards you want for your children. This is the online equivalent of a homophobe complaining that two men holding hands in the park will turn their children gay.

Bit of a wild comparison. It's more like the online equivalent of someone getting kicked out of Legoland for swearing around the children.

Sure, if every group of friends had their own tiny version of Legoland and Lego corporate could ban you from all of them.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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How many people bought the game before these draconian policies were implemented? They should offer refunds.

That's not the deal with proprietary software. The deal is that you buy a license to software, the terms of which can be altered at any time. It's fundamental to the model of proprietary software. It's not theirs. It's the company's, and the company can do what they want with it. There's no reason refunds should be offered, as the consumers got what they paid for: A license to software, with certain conditions for te…

When I bought my license it came with a promise that the game would be made open source in the future. That never happened.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Minecraft is transparently not a good. You get a license to it, you don't own it. You don't buy the copy, you buy the license to the copy. You go to the video store, you get a VHS tape. You don't own the media on the tape. You can use the tape. That is the deal for proprietary software. That's what you agreed to with your purchase. You consented to the model. You agreed to the terms of the license. There's nothing mi…

You should check out Andino v. Apple , an ongoing lawsuit in which the plaintiff alledges that the use of the "Buy" button is fraudulent if content is truly not bought. I feel like you are confusing copyright law with contract law. I can purchase Minecraft without agreeing to any EULA. It only appears after you download the launcher. Here are the two types of unconscionability: The basic test applied for unconscionab…

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Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Does anyone have any insight into why Microsoft thought this was necessary? Minecraft has been server-moderated for years now and has been wildly successful. I've never heard of any hate groups or even hateful servers (I'm sure they exist, but they don't make the news in a way that would harm Microsoft). Is there some legislation that would make it a liability for Microsoft to not moderate all the chat? This move jus…

Game chats have been used for all sorts of criminal activity. I’d guess that Microsoft gets subpoenas for that stuff and felt it was a risk to be unable to respond.

no they don't. Microsoft doesn't have access to chat logs of 3rd party servers (read: all multiplayer non-realm servers)

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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It's apparently a minority voice opinion here on HN, but I for one appreciate what Microsoft is trying to do. As a parent of a 6 and 9 year old who have really gotten into Minecraft during COVID, I appreciate them basically deciding "We want Minecraft to be a game for kids and an online community that is nice." I get why people are frustrated, but I also like the idea of a global decision that forces servers open to…

I get where you're coming from and I'm in the same boat. I play Minecraft and some of the media I consume are Minecraft SMPs and Let's Plays. My soon-to-be-7-year-old has picked up the game and now regularly plays in my world (not that is issue free, but that's a different article :-) )

I understand why Microsoft is doing it and I even agree in part with Microsoft's measures in some ways. Aside from the direct protection of kids, they're also probably trying to be pre-emptive... forestalling the day or already complying with the day when the government says they have to do this sort of thing.

What I disagree with is that it's all or nothing. Public servers that wish to not participate should be allowed to not to. Sure have the client give a warning that you're logging into the wild west, even have it give a warning every time you log into the same server. But don't force all servers to do it. Microsoft also has parent controls which allow me to determine if my kid can use his account on any public server (by default nope)... finesse that a bit to let me choose only Microsoft moderated public servers. Even maybe give me the ability to whitelist servers for my kid's account. And then let everyone else that doesn't want to comply with Microsoft's vision of civility online to enter those servers that don't comply at their discretion, risk, or peril.

This would achieve the goals that your after (and me too for my kid) while not forcing society down the path of conformity.

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