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Re: Israeli rules say West Bank visitors must declare love interest

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Post by Bakary » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 3:06 AM UTC

TearsInTheRain wrote: post #92

Im not jewish and visited Israel recently for several weeks. Despite thinking I had a pretty good knowledge base of the situation beforehand, actually being there, and talking to people with actual stake in the region it became obvious that the opinions of people who have never been to Israel and dont have any skin in the game (95% of this thread) are completely off base, un-nuanced and literally worthless.

Visiting the country for only a few weeks isn't going to give you much more insight on the place than random commenters, especially if by your own admission you were already prone to overestimating your understanding.

Re: Israeli rules say West Bank visitors must declare love interest

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Post by nailer » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 9:23 AM UTC

DangitBobby wrote: post #147

nailer wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes right now, but he doesn’t consider it to be. Hence invading.

If I walked into your house with a gun and said "this is my house now", maybe you and you neighbor can have a semantic debate over whether I actually think I am entitled to the house, but we all know that I know it's not my fucking house.

Yes exactly. We agree on this. Israel and the Palestinian territories are separate. The government of the Palestinian territories is Hamas, and Hamas is responsible for the conditions therein.

Israel is not the same as the Palestinian territories, it is a neighbour, and in the state of Israel, Jews and Arabs and Christians and Atheists have very similar rights.

Re: Israeli rules say West Bank visitors must declare love interest

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Post by frobishercresc » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 9:31 AM UTC

nailer wrote: post #114

frobishercresc wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Palestine is occupied Israeli land and Israel is building settlements there. Israel only keeps Palestine de jure 'external' due to international pressure, with the extra advantage of not having to give Palestians the same rights as Israelis (i.e. Apartheid). Claiming it is not apartheid based on some territorial technicality is disingenious. When Palestine gets full sovereign statehood maybe then we can watch evangel…

Israel has offered Palestinians a state multiple times, as well as offering to territory to Jordan (which I think is probably the best outcome).

It is not Israel's state to offer. Either they annex the land and give Palestinians universal suffrage as the democratic country they claim to be, or unilaterally pull out of the land they are occupying (which includes land in Syria). They don't need to consult with Palestinians to withdraw to internationally recognised borders.

There was no clear offer of statehood in any case, only negotiations where both sides accuse the other or themselves for failure.

Re: Israeli rules say West Bank visitors must declare love interest

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Post by mobiclick » Tue, Sep 06, 2022, 8:08 PM UTC

koheripbal wrote: post #149

mobiclick wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isreal has a well established history of not honoring treaties so I don't see why Arab countries would be expected to honor their end of the deal. The Palestinians will probably do the right thing and preserver until the israelis cross yet another red line. Let's just hope - for the israelis sake - that they don't cross a line to far.

This comment comes off as incredibly biased in multiple different ways. The most obvious contradiction is that you think Israel will regret crossing the "red line", yet also claim that they are already crossing red lines.

This thread wouldn't make much sense if your proverbial red line was already crossed, now would it ;)