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Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Re: Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Post by vlunkr »

userbinator wrote: post #29

IRC has always been free and you can search as much as you've logged... One thing that a lot of people seem to have difficulty understanding is just how little space text takes up; someone typing at 120wpm continuously for 28h has only generated a little over 1MB of text. No doubt Slack is taking advantage of that lack of understanding to make people think the costs are greater.

Replacing slack with IRC really doesn’t feel like a sincere proposal. Slack has persistent history for everyone, push notifications, image and other file uploads, audio calls, video calls, and screen sharing. And all of that works with no configuration or research.

The only way it’s going to fly is if your organization is entirely hacker types.

Re: Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Post by insane_dreamer »

JadoJodo wrote: post #21

It's interesting (and sad) how the forums of yesteryear have essentially gone away entirely, with no good solutions popping up to replace them. I know they were/are incredibly prone to security issues, but they were good at one thing and one thing only: community. I recall spending a crazy amount of time refreshing the index on a site called TradeGamesNow (and to a lesser degree CheapAssGamer) waiting for new posts/c…

Discourse also offers free hosting for OSS projects.

Re: Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Post by mjr00 »

joe-collins wrote: post #130
nerdponx wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Dota 2 wiki is pretty much the canonical "technical reference" for the game.

There are a few games, mostly high-profile ones, with exceptional wikis or fan sites, but they are exceptions.

There's probably more than you think -- they can just hard to find due to the shortcomings/user hostility of Google, as has been discussed here recently [0].

As a concrete example, searching for "Rabi-Ribi wiki" for info regarding a somewhat obscure 2016 Japanese platformer bubbles up the usual Fandom spam garbage to the very top, followed by a copycat site "PCGamingWiki", followed by more generic information such as its Wikipedia page. It's only if you get to the second half of the second page results that you'll find a link to RabiDB [1], which is extremely comprehensive, ad-free and documents pretty much every detail about the game.

In a similar vein regarding the original comment, there are a lot of forums with very active user bases that will never show up at the top of Google results. I still post in one regularly with ~300 daily active users who have all known each other for years, for the most part. We'd never show up anywhere near the first page of a Google search result, though, so we essentially don't exist on the modern internet. I imagine countless other forums are in the same boat.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32594010

[1] https://rabidb.com/

Re: Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Post by mdaniel »

smashah wrote: post #136

I hope this is a wake up call for OSS projects that communicate from Slack to migrate to discord. And for discord based projects to have a plan to commit valuable conversations to a more open and permanent record.

I hope this is a wake up call for OSS projects that communicate via Slack to migrate to Zulip and turn on the public thread option so those chats show up in search results

Going from one closed ecosystem to another closed ecosystem sounds like the makings for having to do that migration again when Discord does something evil this time next year

I'm looking at you, kubernetes.slack.com

Re: Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Post by paulcole »

kelsolaar wrote: post #14
vel0city wrote: post #6

So many people talking about how extremely valuable it is to them and yet they won't bother paying for it.

If you are running a small Open Source community, it is close to impossible to pay for it.

We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas!

Re: Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Post by folkrav »

dalmo3 wrote: post #145
systemvoltage wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hasn't been a problem for millions of people using PhpBB. Those things are nice but Discourse UI is disorienting for me. Threads don't feel like grouping of posts, they feel like search results. I like pagination and "staticness" of PhpBB, not a giant scrolling doomswheel that changes under you. The sticky header ensures that those pixels have private property rights and never ever move out of the way. I don't want t…

> not a giant scrolling doomswheel Discourse's scrolling timeline is the absolute best UI feature I've ever used in a forum platform. Nothing else comes even close.

Hmm, I'm genuinely curious: why? I tend to heavily dislike anything infinite-scrolling...

Re: Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Post by fragmede »

systemvoltage wrote: post #124
nerdponx wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do miss the old forums, but Discourse is pretty nice with Markdown formatting and its tagging system. Much better full-text search than the old-style forums too.

Hasn't been a problem for millions of people using PhpBB. Those things are nice but Discourse UI is disorienting for me. Threads don't feel like grouping of posts, they feel like search results. I like pagination and "staticness" of PhpBB, not a giant scrolling doomswheel that changes under you. The sticky header ensures that those pixels have private property rights and never ever move out of the way. I don't want t…

It has been a problem, that's why there aren't several million more phpbb users. Discourse is filling a niche that hasn't been filled. Slack and Discord aren't right, but unfortunately phpbb isn't it either.

Re: Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Post by icelancer »

Aeolun wrote: post #138
xen2xen1 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I have to ask, why use Slack for hobby things instead of Discord? Is that driven by people used to having it at work? I'm confused by the thought of "hobby Slack channels".

Discord is actually fairly annoying because so many things are on Discord and split between servers.

I agree. My experience with Discord vs. Slack is not nearly what people seem to make it out to be. I find Discord significantly more confusing and the concept of "servers" is not one that makes any actual sense; they are using that word as a stand-in for rooms/workspaces/etc, but "servers" sounds better to gamers. I can't blame them, but it's confusing to me. Oh well. I'm old.
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