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EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Reported elsewhere as $1,500/m residential and $12,500/m commercial. I think they're not aiming for much residential uptake...

Source? I've been looking for the price just out of curiosity.

>Initially, EPB will charge residential customers $1,500 a month for the 25G service and $12,500 a month for commercial customers.

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2022/aug/24/chattanoogas...

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Wow this reads like an announcement from a different timeline (like the one that was promised when fiber was promoted in the early 2000s). 25Gb/s symmetric? In the middle of Tennessee? Meanwhile I have traffic-shaped Comcast and no fiber in sight in Silicon Valley.

Yeah, seems some rural communities are getting fiber faster. My house in northern GA far from Atlanta has symmetrical(?) fiber. It gets 1000 up and 1000 down.

A big part of the reason for this is that rural areas/exurbs get heavily, heavily subsidized.

A few years ago my local ISP (Cincinnati bell) literally stopped their profitable roll out of fiber in the city for the better part of a year. They got a huge subsidy to put fiber in the exurbs around the city, and shifted all of their people to those areas. Go figure.

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Wow this reads like an announcement from a different timeline (like the one that was promised when fiber was promoted in the early 2000s). 25Gb/s symmetric? In the middle of Tennessee? Meanwhile I have traffic-shaped Comcast and no fiber in sight in Silicon Valley.

It is cool, but I imagine it's expensive. Tried their site with a random address, and 10Gig is $300/month...their 1Gig is $68/month. 25Gb isn't yet listed.

Seems reasonable! Comcast Business in San Francisco is $130/mo for only 600/35.

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I think things like this are great because they will finally start to create pressure to commodify >1gbps networking in the home. The industry has some work to do here. I've been on Sonic 10G for almost a year now and LOVE it, but it's definitely been a sore spot to get things set up to expect those kinds of speeds - prosumer 10G switches are vastly more expensive per-port, wired consumer devices don't typically supp…

10GBaseT is the wrong solution, period. As you've found out it runs hot (somehow I doubt all the fanless consumer trinkets are going to last very long). Not that Ubiquiti is a good example – even with their 1G kit they had issues with thermal management. Both the ER-X and ER-L ran hot enough to cook themselves (especially the early ones with the tiny SD cards). True to form my ER-Xs get flakey when it gets slightly w…

In my extremely limited home 10G experience so far, SFP+ DAC modules have seemed relatively inexpensive with low(er) thermals than 10GbaseT (subjective SWAGs here, not detailed thermal measurements!) and are a great, cheap way to connect a desktop to a 10G switch. Kinda makes me fantasize about a laptop with an SFP+ slot, TBH...

I was admittedly just too chicken to wire my home with fiber (nervous about kinking it) so used plenum CAT-6A for my mid-length runs (~50ft). Perhaps there are classes of "tough fiber" for this use case?

I gotta say, I LOVE Sonic. $40/mo and I actually get 6gbps+ up, 6gbps+ down real measured throughput, and unmetered/unfiltered. Great support and a great CEO, Dane. Just wish I could pay a bit more for a static IP, like I did with AT&T Fiber.

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I wonder how much of a push this will really be? For the vast majority of people even vanilla gigabit is of limited benefit... that's on the edge of what a consumer SSD is writing at.

Your SSD comment aside: not everyone lives alone; during the lockdown we had four people using the network simultaneously during the day, plus of course some of my other machines using the network. We have friends with three or four kids, which would have magnified that demand.

Gigabit can support ~25 simulatenous Blu-Ray streams (and that's at the full 40Mbit).

It wasn't all that long ago (~10 years) when the company I worked for had only 200Mbit to the internet, and that supported ~300 people pretty comfortably.

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Your SSD comment aside: not everyone lives alone; during the lockdown we had four people using the network simultaneously during the day, plus of course some of my other machines using the network. We have friends with three or four kids, which would have magnified that demand.

Gigabit can support ~25 simulatenous Blu-Ray streams (and that's at the full 40Mbit). It wasn't all that long ago (~10 years) when the company I worked for had only 200Mbit to the internet, and that supported ~300 people pretty comfortably.

Remember when cd players had 60 second anti-skip buffers?

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It started out to build a smart power grid, and I can say it did that pretty well. The network was able to automatically re-routr power to decrease outages substantially during storms without requiring crews to fix it. Most people I know converted pretty quickly to EPB from Comcast, but apartments and HOAs still make contracts for exclusive Comcast wiring, even brand new HOAs that are being built. My understanding is…

I'm still stunned there isn't a unified service that can tell you WHERE FIBER IS AVAILABLE BY ADDRESS throughout the country or just in specific cities. Even Google Fiber's dedicated map is horrible and incredibly annoying to grok. Literally, has anyone at this address had a FTTH connection installed? I'd even pay $12/mo or a one time fee to check. So it sounds like Chattanooga apts likely won't have support anytime…

You have to shop around. I lived in apartments that allowed either, and I've come across plenty that are still Comcast only.

The ones that let EPB in tend to advertise it more since so many apartments still do lock in.

One apartment would let you wire EPB, but you still had to pay Comcast a fee as part of rent. Super messed up.

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This is incredible, I'm full remote and tired of paying high rent in austin (even after leaving NYC) which makes me want to consider TN a bit more. However, what kind of networking (ideally prosumer) hardware do you need to truly leverage this kind of a connection. Switches are cheap, I already have a few 10G fiber switches, however routers are another story, especially ones that are actually capable of keeping up wi…

I usually buy used enterprise gear, and have been in a similar situation: switch ports are (relatively) cheap, anything that needs an actual CPU to do routing is spendy.

I've gone to Mikrotik for routing 10Gb in the home now. Excuse the horrible part number: the CCR2004-16G-2S+PC has worked out great for me. They're a bit hard to find right now, but I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them over whatever Ubiquiti is trying to sell in the space. For multi-gig routing, the Mikrotik RB5009 has also been a great piece of hardware.

25Gb is really getting into a different class of hardware entirely. If I needed to route at that speed, I'd seriously consider a Supermicro + Opnsense build.

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This was my experience when I had a gigabit connection. I could download games from steam as fast as my ssd would write it. Which was pretty awesome, but I'm not often pushing that sort of bandwidth. The counter argument being that without it being a commodity, we don't know what might be invented if it were. We could miss out on, or delay lots of really amazing innovations.

That’s not my experience at all. I had 10Gbps internet in Tokyo. In normal browsing there wasn’t much difference between using wifi which I normally did and connecting by 10Gbps Ethernet. But downloading on steam was one case where the difference was amazing, I could download a AAA game in 1-2 minutes instead of 10-20.

In my experience you hit those speeds if you happen to be few short hops from the server/CDN.

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I think things like this are great because they will finally start to create pressure to commodify >1gbps networking in the home. The industry has some work to do here. I've been on Sonic 10G for almost a year now and LOVE it, but it's definitely been a sore spot to get things set up to expect those kinds of speeds - prosumer 10G switches are vastly more expensive per-port, wired consumer devices don't typically supp…

>The industry has some work to do here.

I think that wired ISP bandwidth missed out on marketing/branding (which may also be intentional). The thing is that the average consumer is woefully misinformed. You don't even need to look that far. A comment downstream mistook gigabit with gigabyte. With cellular networks, everyone and their dog is clamoring for 5G. Wifi too now has numbers like wifi 6 and wifi 7. So my conclusion is that we need numbers but not units. Units confuse people.

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