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It wasn't for nothing
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who is it for then? Everyone on the planet I have ever interacted with uses proprietary software daily. What are these mythical workflows? Am I only supposed to use Guix when it's convenient for their philosophy? nonguix is proof that adding proprietary software doesn't break diddly squat. It's all just gatekeeping. They could still achieve all their goals without being zealous, whether you believe me or not.
I really can't understand your attitude here. Guix makes it trivial to add other channels, such as nonguix, providing first-class packages. You can easily add proprietary software to Guix. It's just not part of Guix, because that's not the point of the project. Your "non-mythical" workflows that depend on proprietary workflows are not in any way impeded. You are projecting zealotry and gatekeeping (both terms with st…
My point is that Guix, the software, the documentation and the community are not user friendly. I'm happy that you have no need for proprietary software, that sounds nice. I do have such a need. It took me a stunning amount of time to find nonguix and figure it out. The community was not helpful.
Figuring out how to use proprietary software with Guix is a miserable experience. As a new, curious user, I was told: I won't receive help, I can't discuss it, I shouldn't use proprietary software, that Guix isn't for me.
This is not a welcoming response. It's not useful. It's hostile. It's zealotry.
Instead, a welcoming response would be to say yeah, that's unfortunate but understandable, maybe help educate why free software is important, and suggest a path forward, such as pointing the user to unofficial channels. By comparison, Nix excels here -- There is no hostility.
It's like being told by a mathematician that I shouldn't use math to calculate my taxes because taxes are unethical and illegal. Yeah that's nice, but I still have to pay them. I just want to calculate my taxes.
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not attempting to construe that the attitude is GFY. From the perspective of someone who is enjoying this tool and ecosystem and wants to do something, but the community is trying very hard to enforce beliefs that are incompatible, it sure tastes like I'm being told to go fuck myself. Does it feel good to you when you ask a question and the reply you get is "this isn't for you"? Requiring a private reply on an IR…
"enforce beliefs"? No. Proprietary software simply isn't part of the project and discussing stuff that are besides the project goals on project channels is not welcome. You don't have to belief anything to use Guix or participate in the community. It's an odd sense of entitlement to demand that others accept, accommodate, and welcome your ideology in dealings with you. I also find it strange that you ascribe "this is…
> Proprietary software simply isn't part of the project and discussing stuff that are besides the project goals on project channels is not welcome.
Yes, and I believe that this attitude harms community building, education and adoption efforts. You specifically use the words "not welcome". Other, more welcoming projects typically don't use such language outside of a Code of Conduct policy document. I'm pointing out that I've been made to feel unwelcome and you're saying that is entirely harmless.
Do you see the problem?
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
I do not at all resent the attitude. I resent that Guix is presented as a serious alternative to, say, Nix, within this community. I will be the first person to appreciate the efforts of folks working on Open and Free Software, it's really noble. The world would be a better place if all our software was Free, but that's not the world we live in today. I wish them all the luck and success in the world, but wanting ado…
re "guilting": Even hard-core free software folks will not see the use of proprietary software as a moral failing, but rather as an injustice. Nobody should be shamed for using proprietary software. (I consider it morally wrong to write proprietary software, though.) Even people like RMS have stated as much in the past. Ignore those who turn this free software stuff into some weird quest for moral purity. Nobody care…
> Nobody should be shamed for using proprietary software. (I consider it morally wrong to write proprietary software, though.)
So you consider my day job morally wrong, but I shouldn't be shamed for that. Got it.
When I mentioned that I needed some proprietary bits to get my printer working, it was suggested I buy a different printer. Can you perhaps see how that could be interpreted to be shameful?
> On machines that require non-free blobs it's also a valid choice because its design makes it trivial to install selected non-free software packages.
Great! Could you please refer me to the relevant documentation?
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#156I like the blog post and I'm happy for the author, truly. But Guix doesn't sit well with me, and I rarely see this discussed: The Guix zealotry will be their undoing, and frankly this is where Nix shines. I can use Nix at work, at home, with family, with vendors, with binary blobs, on macOS. The community tries very hard to help. With Guix, sure, there's stuff like nonguix, but take a gander at this from the nonguix…
> If Guix ever becomes mainstream, it will be in spite of their efforts.
Why is ‘become mainstream’ some aspirational goal? What would that even mean?
Making a viable operating system is valuable without having it be the the one everyone uses.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have yet to see the winter last 9 months. Typically starts in November and ends in March. And nothing to do during the winter? Cozy up by the fireplace, pop a bottle of wine with a loved one. Read books. Make delicious food. Prepare for xmas, visit the various xmas markets, then there is new year which is a blast. And let's not forget the julebord-season during late November and first half of December! January and…
> Cozy up by the fireplace, pop a bottle of wine with a loved one. So your suggestion for his problem is... alcohol? :-) > Prepare for xmas, visit the various xmas markets. Where frequently the main activity is drinking mulled wine aka... alcohol? :-) > Spend the evening playing board games with friends, drinking and having it cozy by the fireplace again. More alcohol? :-)))
>> Cozy up by the fireplace, pop a bottle of wine with a loved one.
> So your suggestion for his problem is... alcohol? :-)
To unixhero's problem? Cozying up with a loved one is a very nice way of spending parts of the winter. :-) Wine, fireplace, good tv show or good food. Mm.
>> Prepare for xmas, visit the various xmas markets.
> Where frequently the main activity is drinking mulled wine aka... alcohol? :-)
Well, that would require a license. There's usually a pub close by, but.. that sounds more like Germany to me. ;) Not sure I've seen mulled wine with alcohol at Norwegian xmas markets.
>> Spend the evening playing board games with friends, drinking and having it cozy by the fireplace again.
> More alcohol? :-)))
Yes. Absolutely.
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#158I really appreciate this post and how it highlights the power of becoming involved in occupation. I use that term in the context of the fact that my spouse is an Occupational Therapist by trade. In that field, the term occupation refers to a collection of activities of daily living, not a "job" per se. Rather than seeing patients through a framework of diagnosis or disability, they look at activities and people's abi…
Yes! See also the Japanese concept of "ikigai", which helps explain why many people's ideas equating traditional retirement with happiness are so misguided.
I'm at a point in my (young adult) life where I'm starting to think really seriously about planning for retirement, and I'm finding that the idea of just "putting my feet up" at a certain age actually disgusts me. I work with a lot of retired people and while I don't want to stay in this particular job/company/field until I die, I do hope to keep doing meaningful work in some capacity into my twilight years.
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#159@dang Am I banned from replies? Why? Because I comment through Tor? Is there a better way to ask this without polluting a comment section?
There's also a limit on how quickly you can reply to a new comment. The reply link is missing at first, but you can get it on the comment's page by clicking the timestamp.
Thank you.
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#160Wow. These reasons match exactly why I've built open source software in the past (now running on your iPhone). Fun. Rewarding. Feels important. Pure. Maybe didn't save my life, but given a different start, definitely plausible.
didnt know what you built, but certainly fullfilling for you, i guess.