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What ever happened to the transhumanists?

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Re: What ever happened to the transhumanists?

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Post by koheripbal »

notsapiensatall wrote: post #49

IMHO it's in a trough on the hype curve. Tech needs to improve before it'll rise again. The promises of devices like neuralink are decades away from widespread voluntary adoption, at least. You can get small things done today, as you could 10 years ago, but they aren't ready for primetime. Anecdotally, I got a small coated neodymium magnet implanted in a finger during my youth. It was cool as a college student, I cou…

I would really like to know more about this topic. Is there a forum that people who dabble in mods post to?

Re: What ever happened to the transhumanists?

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Post by koheripbal »

tomhoward wrote: post #146
jholman wrote: post #132

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> To become transhuman or posthuman, you'd first have to understand what it is to be human What? Why? I'm post-adolescent (at least biologically, please don't bring up all of my emotional immaturity), and I still don't (and definitely didn't then) understand what it is to be adolescent. I live in a post-feudal society, and while I think we understand a few things about what it means to be feudal, I wouldn't bet on us…

You didn’t have to create a new technology that enabled you to transition to post-adolescent. I think your parent commenter meant “_we_ would have to understand”, as a species, rather than all or any of us individually. In practice just the people creating the technology. But it’s a big leap.

That seems like an artificial barrier.

We can improve certain aspects of ourselves without deeply understanding the entirety of what it is to be human.

Re: What ever happened to the transhumanists?

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Post by koheripbal »

armchairhacker wrote: post #14

"Transhumanism" is already here, in a way. We have medications including some complex drugs, most people at least take multi-vitamins, we have surgeries and sometimes do weird stuff like transplant limbs or faces. Even simpler, we have knowledge of diet and health which lets us stay in better shape than before (though a lot of people are in worse shape due to junk food...we have access to high-protein diets and effec…

The biggest example is our cell phones. They may not be implanted (yet), but we keep them physically with us 24x7 and they have significantly altered our behavior.

Re: What ever happened to the transhumanists?

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Post by walterbell »

jholman wrote: post #150
tomhoward wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn’t have to create a new technology that enabled you to transition to post-adolescent. I think your parent commenter meant “_we_ would have to understand”, as a species, rather than all or any of us individually. In practice just the people creating the technology. But it’s a big leap.

But we did have to invent the (social) technology that enabled us to transition to a post-feudal society. And we did so without fully understanding feudal society. For another technological example, we didn't fully understand bronze when we transitioned to the iron age (in fact, at least in the west, the transition to the iron age happened in large part due to our understanding of bronze getting substantially worse )…

> we did so without fully understanding feudal society.

No human understood feudal society? What about the leaders of those societies?

Re: What ever happened to the transhumanists?

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Post by walterbell »

peteradio wrote: post #135
nickff wrote: post #121

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I quite like that phrasing (in your second sentence); did you come up with it yourself, or did you catch it somewhere?

I think I've read it somewhere but I never keep track of citations. Might have been Michael Keaton in that movie, moral of the story, if you copy yourself then your copy is gonna bang your wife.

A sub-plot of Travelers on Netflix, created by Brad Wright, creator of Stargate SG-1.

Re: What ever happened to the transhumanists?

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Post by daoist_shaman »

pixl97 wrote: post #81
aliqot wrote: post #55

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Within the confines of this thought experiment: I wonder sometimes if anybody would have read it at all had he not committed these crimes. Obviously the gravity of his crimes overshadowed any bit of sense in what he wrote, and effectively nullifies all ability in most people to even bring reason to the words as they read them. That being said, there is undoubted truth in some of what he said regarding the perils of m…

Many people have wrote what Ted wrote in one form or another, you don't know their names.

Many people also have trouble separating ideas from individuals. Ideas are imagination. They aren’t real until they are actualized. They can be beautiful or they can be toxic.

Ideas are one thing, but the transmission of them is another. The moment an idea is uttered is the moment that its meaning is jeopardized. Interpretation is the demise of the idea.

People have ruthlessly killed each other for millennia because they believe in the same idea but could not agree on the same word to describe it. A tragedy, not one that the historians would tell you.

Re: What ever happened to the transhumanists?

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Post by Banana699 »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #149
Banana699 wrote: post #141

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As indicated by your comment, you probably live/born in the US. So you probably have as a hero at least one of those 3 people : [George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt\Harry Truman]. Every one of those people killed far more than Ted ever ever dreamed of or imagined. One of them fought personally in wars of colonization and was responsible for the death of countless original inhabitants of the land hi…

> every day a human spends not killing or blowing up humans is a sin, a day lived by an immoral coward who doesn't deserve to live. First: By your own standard, you don't deserve to live. I'm not telling you to kill yourself; I'm telling you your standard is hopelessly twisted. Second: You condemn Washington, Lincoln, Roosevelt, and Truman, because they killed people . And then you come out with the above sentence. Y…

>By your own standard, you don't deserve to live.

Correct. This is something I say myself in the comment, if you bothered to read carefully.

>You condemn Washington, Lincoln, Roosevelt, and Truman, because they killed people. And then you come out with the above sentence. You're a bit self-inconsistent here.

False. I don't condemn any of those people (not because they killed anyway), I point out your own hypocrisy, and that of most people, when they worship those mass killers, and oppose Ted because he killed 3 people.

>Kaczynski didn't deserve to live, because he didn't kill nearly enough people.

Because he was stopped short, and because he, like many of us, had delusions of convincing people peacefully.

>Eagles. Cats. Whales. Seals. Snakes. They all do this.

They kill their own number 7 times per year ? I call bullshit. And if it's true, it doesn't change anything.

Re: What ever happened to the transhumanists?

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Post by notRobot »

koheripbal wrote: post #151
notsapiensatall wrote: post #49

IMHO it's in a trough on the hype curve. Tech needs to improve before it'll rise again. The promises of devices like neuralink are decades away from widespread voluntary adoption, at least. You can get small things done today, as you could 10 years ago, but they aren't ready for primetime. Anecdotally, I got a small coated neodymium magnet implanted in a finger during my youth. It was cool as a college student, I cou…

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