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Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by cronix »

JackFr wrote: post #125
the_duke wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternative view: Apple has spent many years happily profiting from cheap Chinese manufacturing, labor, electrial engineering expertise and supply chains to the point where they are now completely beholden to a foreign country. A country whose increasing rivalry with the US in economic power and geopolitical influence (along with increased tensions) has been clear for well over a decade. Apple is diversifying a bit i…

> but China could throw Apple into a huge crisis tomorrow if they were cut off, since it would take years to ramp up capacity elsewhere. Would not be painless for China though. The thing about trade is, it’s trade. While Apple and American consumers benefit, so does China or obviously they wouldn’t trade. They’re not making our phones as a charity to us.

Yes, they've been taking the profits and building their military at a fast rate for 20 years...to do...something.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by klipklop »

INTPenis wrote: post #86
BudaDude wrote: post #33

This should honestly be picked up by a larger news organization. If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan and bringing more chips to the US, Apple should be shamed for choosing Chinese profits. Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges.

It amazes me how quickly people online are willing to start ww3. It seems like it's not the world leaders we have to worry about, it's the fucking commenters. Yes it should be picked up but the US can't just go in swinging with China. Nobody wins.

Yes, we should just appease the people that will attempt to end the world if they don’t get their way.

I recall an appeasement policy in Europe didn’t work so great in the 1930s.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by Clubber »

INTPenis wrote: post #86
BudaDude wrote: post #33

This should honestly be picked up by a larger news organization. If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan and bringing more chips to the US, Apple should be shamed for choosing Chinese profits. Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges.

It amazes me how quickly people online are willing to start ww3. It seems like it's not the world leaders we have to worry about, it's the fucking commenters. Yes it should be picked up but the US can't just go in swinging with China. Nobody wins.

>It amazes me how quickly people online are willing to start ww3.

Ya, and if that happens, expect a draft. The US military is having difficulty finding volunteers. They'll need a whole lot of soldiers, sailors and marines if we went all out with China.

>It seems like it's not the world leaders we have to worry about, it's the fucking commenters.

Pelosi was quite bold in her little stunt recently with Taiwan. She's willing to send our boys and girls to war for a political stunt is pretty disgusting. I'm done with all these war mongers.

I wonder what she was really trying to accomplish.

Also, seems some people stole $6B from Chinese banks. One of the accused was allowed to flee to the US.

https://menafn.com/1104402647/China-Banking-Scandal-May-Invo...

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by justapassenger »

ericmay wrote: post #51
BudaDude wrote: post #33

This should honestly be picked up by a larger news organization. If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan and bringing more chips to the US, Apple should be shamed for choosing Chinese profits. Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges.

Well, an alternative interpretation would be that Apple (like much of the world) is in a no-win situation because an assumption that they had (like much of the world) was that investment, fair trade, and bringing China into the established international organizations would result in liberalization (within reason) of China and that they'd be a full partner in global stability. The grand bargain. But instead the CCP re…

> Well, an alternative interpretation would be that Apple (like much of the world) is in a no-win situation

It's a weak excuse for a company that builds its image in last 5 years as a morally superior one. Apple was very happy to heavily impact online advertising business (not saying it was a bad thing), because of those principles (and to give them huge edge to grow their business later in that area). But they are not willing to stand up for other causes, where it impacts their bottom line.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by Aunche »

BudaDude wrote: post #33

This should honestly be picked up by a larger news organization. If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan and bringing more chips to the US, Apple should be shamed for choosing Chinese profits. Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges.

If making a label that complies with Chinese customs is really such a matter of protecting Taiwan, then you should ask these Taiwanese manufacturers to not export their products to China in the first place. Given that they are exporting to China, Apple is correct that they need to comply with China's rules, no matter how arbitrary.

IMO, more people need to learn about marginal thinking. This is the only way we can operate in a complicated, interconnected world, and China is much better at this. When Nike and H&M voiced concerns about Xinjiang, the CPC organized consumer boycotts of these companies. Meanwhile, they happily allowed factories to continue to sell their goods to sell to Nike and H&M. China itself recognizes that it only makes sense to virtue signal when it is economical to do so.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by jjoonathan »

ericmay wrote: post #132
tcmart14 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't included in the many and various board meetings across all companies to make the decision to move production... In fact, I wasn't in any. And to be quiet frank, I probably was born yet for many of them or still shitting myself in a diaper.

Sure, but you can today buy more expensive products that are not made in China if that's of concern to you. Of course there are some products for which there are no alternatives right now, but that doesn't stop you from making economic decisions that align with your stated values. Continuing to buy Chinese products and then saying you have no agency because some nebulous entity made a decision for you is just cogniti…

Did you learn nothing from the Prisoner's Dilemma?

We don't actually have any options that leverage massive economies of scale and manufacture in the US, because our masters chose to ship the manufacturing overseas. Individual agency is trumped by control of the rules, that's the whole point of PD. Pretending that our wallets have agency is a con to fool us out of using the tool that would actually be effective: regulation.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by klipklop »

iconhacker wrote: post #146
BudaDude wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, China was ready to start WWIII a few days ago.

Only when provoked by US.

Provoked by an old lady flying in and giving a few speeches?

That is one rather weak provocation. Compare that to the CCP launching missiles over the island of Taiwan. Who is provoking whom?

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by [deleted] »

zozbot234 wrote: post #147
BudaDude wrote: post #33

This should honestly be picked up by a larger news organization. If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan and bringing more chips to the US, Apple should be shamed for choosing Chinese profits. Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges.

Taiwan follows the "One China" policy. They view themselves as Chinese even more so than the PRC, not part of some sort of separate, "independent" culture/nation. So the "China" badge is quite justified on its own terms.

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Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by Retric »

cronix wrote: post #151
JackFr wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but China could throw Apple into a huge crisis tomorrow if they were cut off, since it would take years to ramp up capacity elsewhere. Would not be painless for China though. The thing about trade is, it’s trade. While Apple and American consumers benefit, so does China or obviously they wouldn’t trade. They’re not making our phones as a charity to us.

Yes, they've been taking the profits and building their military at a fast rate for 20 years...to do...something.

China has the 2nd largest military budget but only spends 1.7% GDP on it vs the global average of 2.2% and US at 3.5%. India the worlds 3rd largest spender is between them at 2.7% GDP, and #4 the UK spends 2.2% GDP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_...

I may strongly dislike China, but a relative lack of military spending is one of their strengths.

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