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Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by darkteflon »

tmikaeld wrote: post #131
darkteflon wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, I have an Innocn PU15-PRE. Just to reiterate that a 15.6” 4K is definitely the way to go. I also tried 14” 4K and 1440p panels but - on account of the way scaling and font rendering works in MacOS - they’re a big step down. Even moreso if you’re doing anything graphically intensive - you’ll want to use non-native scaling on a 14” 4K which is expensive for the GPU. The 15.6” panel doesn’t have this problem becau…

I was looking for a stand, but couldn't find one that's portable, what are you using?

I use a small [Neewer tripod](https://amzn.asia/d/dhkt0hd) connected to an Swfoto Arca-Swiss tablet holder (link below in this thread).

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by blocked_again »

piva00 wrote: post #79
blocked_again wrote: post #42

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Sustainability issues will never be fixed by companies building for sustainability. Vast majority of the world population don't give a shit about sustainability. Consumers always want to improve their life by spending as little money as possible. This means companies are being pushed to build more efficient things. For example Electric cars can travel much longer than traditional cars for the same cost of fuel. More…

> This means companies are being pushed to build more efficient things. No, this means companies are being pushed to build the least expensive things, efficiency is just coincidental in some cases. > Humans will fix sustainability issues automatically. That depends, if you mean "eventually" I can somewhat agree with the argument but that's just a wishful thinking thought exercise. Eventually sustainability issues wil…

> No, this means companies are being pushed to build the least expensive things

Least expensive literally translate to more efficeny. To build cheaper things you need to spend less on electricity for manufacturing, less on transport (fuel), less on labor etc. Which means more efficeny.

> Eventually sustainability issues will be fixed because if not everyone will eventually die from the lack of resources, doesn't mean that the fixes are timely or with the least suffering that we as a species could be capable

Sure. But this also assumes we are on the verge of collapsing because of sustainability issues. We don't know that. This also assumes somehow if we start pushing on sustainability now we are going to overcome that. We don't know that.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by falcor84 »

noobermin wrote: post #143

I think the only thing about foldable screens is eventually the crease does not iron out and is part of the screen permanently, meaning likely you'll have to live with the crease eventually. I've seen many Samsung foldable screens that are display units at the store, that crease is pretty worn out after a few months to a year.

I'd be interested in official mean-time-to-crease stats. If it's indeed a year, I think it's still very worthwhile.

Also, would it be economic to replace the panel after it creases?

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Post by sumedh »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #137
sumedh wrote: post #116

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> but then I didn't get the appeal of iPads when announced. Let me guess you dont have kids.

Not parent and I don't have kids but if I did, there's no way I'm giving them an ipad. They can have coloring books, crayons, Legos and building blocks, doll houses, physical plastic, wooden and plush toys, restricted access to PCs/consoles, but no portable smart devices with screens, online connection and spyware apps. By kids I'm talking about pre-teens. They can get smart devices when they're teenagers.

There are some things which you should not answer unless you have experienced it yourself. Having kids is one of them.

All your activity sounds good on paper but real life does not work like that. Kids are smart, they can see you are on your smart device, they can see others are on their phones/ipads when they go outside. You dont want your kid to be a social outcast.

Sometimes when you want to do your chores or want some quiet time for yourself the best solution is to give your kids an ipad so that they remain busy.

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Post by ilaksh »

eterps wrote: post #5

AFAIK there is absolutely no innovation with software defined keyboards, they statically mimic a physical keyboard. I would expect well defined open APIs so that applications tailor the keyboard for optimal contextualized use for that app. The only thing that came close is Apple's touchbar but even that one is quite static and not very liberating in practice. Of course the downside of adaptive software keyboards is t…

I think eventually (5-10 years?) most "laptops" may be using on-screen keyboards. Especially if there is somewhat decent haptic feedback.

It just makes so much more sense from a manufacturing standpoint for one thing. Makes it much simpler and you don't need to create separate keyboard layouts for different languages.

Also, younger generations are quite comfortable using on-screen keyboards on their phones.

But what will really make it take off is contextual and customizable user interfaces that sit next to the virtual letter and symbol keys. Which of course there could be many more symbols or emojis available in subkeyboards or for different contexts.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by notacoward »

I would love something like this if it used a real hinge or a slide instead of a folding screen. Best of all IMO would be a three part screen (two hinges/slides) with a 1:2:1 ratio so that the line - which can be small with modern bezel-less design but still present - won't be in the middle. That makes it usable for games etc. as well as many tiled terminal/editor windows. Innovation is great and all, kudos to them for trying this, but validating the UX aspects separately from the base display technology seems worthwhile.

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Post by falcor84 »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #89
TekMol wrote: post #10

Fold or not, what I want for a laptop is: A tablet with a matte screen. That can run Linux. So I can put it on a stand and a keyboard in front of it. That would be the ultimate travel setup! Working in cafes without having to look down all the time. Does something like this exist?

Just get a Thinkpad. They have all the features you want. They're not going to be as thing and light, but their keyboards are better than anything out there. The touchpad is iffy, but if you're using Linux (I use it too), your touchpad experience is going to be subpar anyway.

My 2 cents: get a model with a touchpoint - once you get used to it, it's amazing how efficient it is to quickly switch between mouse and keyboard.

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Post by thereddaikon »

jacquesm wrote: post #123
croes wrote: post #114

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Is it really an innovation? If I look at foldable S smartphones then this is like a bigger version with an external keyboard.

Is there a similar device on the market right now? A 'bigger version' by two orders of magnitude surface wise certainly seems innovative to me, I'm not aware of another company risking their reputation on something like this at present but I'll be happy to be corrected. There was an intel proof-of-concept but I'm not aware of anything that was actually available to the public. Keep in mind that what looks trivial to…

Lenovo X1 fold. It was announced last year.

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Post by darkteflon »

nailer wrote: post #132
darkteflon wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, I have an Innocn PU15-PRE. Just to reiterate that a 15.6” 4K is definitely the way to go. I also tried 14” 4K and 1440p panels but - on account of the way scaling and font rendering works in MacOS - they’re a big step down. Even moreso if you’re doing anything graphically intensive - you’ll want to use non-native scaling on a 14” 4K which is expensive for the GPU. The 15.6” panel doesn’t have this problem becau…

Same here - a photo would be great! I want a portal monitor but it has to be at eyeheight. Otherwise I will use a crappy laptop raiser thing.

Yep, this is at eye height. For me this solution is better than using a laptop raiser because: you get two displays instead of one, and in a setup no wider than a laptop, and you don’t need to pack an external keyboard, mouse and/or trackpad. Plus a tripod and portable display packs way better than most laptop raisers I’ve seen.

The upper display becomes your main display, the lower one your secondary. You still have to look down sometimes at the secondary but that is vastly better than craning your neck the whole time.

Edit: [Pic](https://imgur.com/a/sdLmYJG). Bad photo but you get the idea. In reality, both those panels are perfectly angled for viewing when I’m sitting down in front of them, with no overlap.

That’s great that you guys are into this. I feel like I cracked the code with this one. I told my irl friends and they just shrugged.

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Post by weberer »

mnahkies wrote: post #98
jfoster wrote: post #20

Looks fancy. Is this what the market wants? I don't particularly like Apple, but I use a Macbook Pro. I've been keeping an eye out for a non-Apple alternative to a Macbook, but nothing seems to come close in terms of hardware. I don't mean technical specs. I mean a beautiful screen, reasonable dimensions & weight, a really good touchpad, great battery life, etc. A big foldable screen looks cool, but doesn't feel at a…

I've been very happy with my Dell XPS 15 - 5 years old and still going strong albeit with reduced battery performance. Great Linux support and a nice screen. Will probably upgrade in the next year or two primarily because replacing the battery and increasing the ram is pricey enough that I may as well buy a new machine.

The New XPS line doesn't support real sleep mode. It is a huge pain starting work after the weekend and most of your battery is already gone. I'd avoid them until they get this fixed.

https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/XPS-15-9510-fails-to-slee...

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