We have laws in Australia that stop this sort of unhinged price rise... but yeah... I'm waiting in excess of 13 months for my Rav4 Cruiser
Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP
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Re: Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I get over 40 mpg if I run on gas (in the summer). I don't think that's a fair number. It seems cost/mile or carbon/mile would make more since, since that number assumes electricity is free.
This number is only factoring gas as a energy source. The combined mpg (what they call it when they calculate electric usage too) is easily over 150 mpg which is “cheating”. But to put it into perspective, my car can run over 400 miles on a 11 gallon tank without ever touching an electric outlet.
> This number is only factoring gas as a energy source.
Wow, that's great! I didn't realize ICE tech has improved so much. That's better than a new little Ford Fiesta, weighing nearly half as much.
Re: Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
Toyota have been strange holdouts against electric cars for some reason; they've previously backed hydrogen which is far less practical now.
Honda even more so—they don’t have a single PHEV or EV model available (there was the Clarity). Mazda is even worse. Hyundai, Ford, Chevy, VW, et al seem to have an extensive lineup of electrified vehicles. Yet, they still seem very hard to come by in this market.
> Honda even more so—they don’t have a single PHEV or EV model available (there was the Clarity).
In Europe, there is an all-electric Honda hatchback:
https://www.carwow.co.uk/honda/e
> Mazda is even worse.
And an all-electric Mazda SUV:
https://www.carwow.co.uk/mazda/mx-30
But both of these models are hardly competitive.
Re: Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP
#154Tried to find one of these in my area but was told they are only being sold in certain states like California. I ended up going with an Audi Q5 PHEV at MSRP. No regrets.
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
Presumably it's reasonable because it's supported by market conditions?
You seem very intent on defending this sort of behavior. I wonder why? In my not so humble opinion, while the used market can do what it may, MSRP is MSRP. This goes for GPUs as much as it goes for cars. I understand shortages. I am ok with waiting lists. I do not appreciate profiteering. Any dealership that tried to stick me with such a markup not only would blow the sale, but would not get my business in the future…
> Any dealership that tried to stick me with such a markup not only would blow the sale, but would not get my business in the future.
Which is a completely valid reaction and the risk the dealership takes, and ultimately when the price rises to the point where they no longer attract buyers, the market corrects. That will be soon as the fed raises interest rates.
Re: Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP
#156what you think I rap for to push a f'ing rav4?
yeah, actually...
Re: Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
The simplicity of Japanese cars is or at least was part of their design philosophy: simple and reliable. And I really appreciate that. I know little about Skoda but branding wise I would not put it on par with Toyota.
> I know little about Skoda but branding wise I would not put it on par with Toyota. In many parts of Europe, Škoda is considered "the European Toyota". Because it's made by Volkswagen Group and uses the engines previously tested by its more premium brands – such as Porsche, Audi, and Volkswagen.
Are Volkswagens supposed to be reliable? I had one and it was in the shop every few months. Worst car I ever owned...
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
I assume that when anything goes wrong with a BMW, and I assume it will relatively quickly, the repair costs will quickly close the gap on any initial savings.
There's a lot less to go wrong in an all-electric vehicle. Not saying you can't have issues with fans or the seat-heaters ( ahem ), but you're not looking at an engine rebuild or even oil changes down the line
The original Fiat 500es were a train wreck, even for a Fiat. They were super cheap, but all the stories of the owners who carried around specific wrenches in the back to disconnect and reconnect the battery as the easiest fix finally convinced me to pass.
Re: Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP
#159Unrelated to price it's great to see PHEVs getting better and better on larger cars and drawing demand. I've got a first-gen Volvo XC90 T8 PHEV which only gets like 17miles (ok more like 14 if the heat or A/C is on which is basically always) on electric but it makes a huge difference in overall mpg since I use the ICE on the highway and switch to electric in-town. My one concern is that there's a huge question mark a…
I want to buy an XC90 but there’s very few to none new ones available anymore, and 2023s are $10k more. Oh well.
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
> but the dealership wanted to charge me a $15k "dealership fee" Do your scare quotes mean you think it's unreasonable? It's supply and demand, isn't it?
Thank you for introducing me to the term scare quotes aka shudder quotes, quibble quotes, and my personal favorite sneer quotes. People here love passive aggression.
If you want to call people out for passive aggression, well, that’s your choice, I guess. Not what I’d do, but hey, whatever makes you happy.