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Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by vimwizard »

StillBored wrote: post #50
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #42

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China literally locked down Shanghai and millions of people in their homes, had police everywhere monitoring, had almost no exceptions other than for the police, and literally boarded people in their homes, engaged every spying mechanism they had, did mandatory testing, for more than six weeks , and it did not stop COVID - but it is increasingly clear it only delayed it from spreading inevitably. Even WIRED, pro-vacc…

After it already went endemic, and the transmissiblity went through the roof. Not sure why that is hard to understand. If this virus killed 95% of people would you be arguing against lockdowns? I think most people can agree that its one of those to little to late situations in china and they need to reconsider at this point, but that doesn't make what they are trying to do wrong.

>If this virus killed 95% of people would you be arguing against lockdowns?

This is the dumbest argument I've ever seen made on here. If it killed 95% of people, no sane person would be arguing because it becomes obvious that you are in danger. If 1.1% of the population dies and you don't have any of the health risks coinciding with mortality from the virus, then you have little reason to put your life on hold, unless you're unlucky and don't realize you have some unidentified health issue, which at that point, is a rounding error.

I guess if you're on the side doing the coercing then, yeah, at that point you probably think you're saving everyone from themselves.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by baremetal »

PKop wrote: post #88
JohnTHaller wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My under 40 triathlete friend with no comorbidities who wound up in the ICU for a month and needed two surgeries to drain his lungs would beg to differ. Or my buddy down the block under 40 with no cormorbities who is now on beta blockers for long term Covid. As would folks like my Dad who the vaccine and first booster didn't work on due to his suppressed immune system from receiving my kidney.

Careful with extreme endurance exercise, it can be immuno suppressive [0] I would advise a balance between weightlifting, moderate cardio, lots of sunlight exposure for Vitamin D and testosterone support, and a balanced diet. And yes there are instances of young, non co-morbid people dying from covid. Statistically, not that many, so I'm not worried about it. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3475230/

>I would advise a balance between weightlifting, moderate cardio, lots of sunlight exposure for Vitamin D and testosterone support, and a balanced diet.

That is exactly what I do, and I never get sick.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by moistly »

OrangeMonkey wrote: post #125
moistly wrote: post #75

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My friend, I think you are assuming that everyone shares equal risk and that is simply and unequivocally untrue. When biostats does a project, we have to stratify our patient comparison groups on age, gender, and sometimes even 'approximate cash' as all of these change risks and outcomes. The outcome for healthy 60 year olds. The question is not 'is the vaccine better than the infection' - its 'for healthy women in c…

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Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by vimwizard »

busymom0 wrote: post #54
jamroom wrote: post #47

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Specific to the US which states had vaccine mandates?

I live in Canada. Here, unvaxxed weren't even allowed to air travel domestically. Nor did they recognize a negative PCR test or past infection natural immunity. Compassionate grounds such as taking care of sick family member, funeral etc were also not exempted. Everyone who were COVID+ despite being vaxxed were allowed to fly, go to gym, restaurant etc. Meanwhile, an unvaxxed person wasn't allowed to do the same even…

>Everyone who were COVID+ despite being vaxxed were allowed to fly, go to gym, restaurant etc

This isn't true at all, plenty of businesses have a no-symptoms policy. On the flip side, I don't think they could effectively screen everyone anyway.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by DrAwdeOccarim »

macinjosh wrote: post #115
lelandfe wrote: post #105

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> because of the potential unknown side effects Without trying to inflame the rhetoric in this discussion (I feel like HN is one of the few places that this is possible) – will this be your stance on new vaccines and medicines going forward? "Potential unknown side effects" is a critique that can be levied against almost any medical approval process, but the FDA has had an excellent track record with vaccine safety o…

> the FDA has had an excellent track record with vaccine safety over the last ~70 years Yeah, and they did this by going through a lot of detailed processes, study, and trial. Not by doing what was done in this case.

Again, not to further inflame, but no corners were cut for the trials. The only thing that happened was the Federal government covered the costs to do all parts in parallel (for Moderna, kinda also for Pfizer with the APA, but more complex). Typically longer is between the safety trial and the efficacy trial, but almost all side effects ever observed for previous vaccine trials show up within 6 months of the phase 1 trial.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by OrangeMonkey »

moistly wrote: post #153
OrangeMonkey wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My friend, I think you are assuming that everyone shares equal risk and that is simply and unequivocally untrue. When biostats does a project, we have to stratify our patient comparison groups on age, gender, and sometimes even 'approximate cash' as all of these change risks and outcomes. The outcome for healthy 60 year olds. The question is not 'is the vaccine better than the infection' - its 'for healthy women in c…

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With all due respect, I am not attempting to be rude with you and it would be nice to be afforded the same courtesy.

As bluntly as I can say it - it will be years before we have peer reviewed studies published that detail the effect (or lack thereof) of the vaccines on pregnancy. It is an unknown and to pretend otherwise is dishonest. What we do know, though, is the outcomes of people who have covid stratified by age/race/sex/etc.

What we find is that covid is heavily impacted by age and existing comorbidities. If you look at the mortality rate stratified by age alone, you will see drastic outcome differences between 60 women. To suggest that an injection is always better than possible infection, when we know the outcomes of possible infection on the average person in the 'having a child' demographic, seems disingenuous.

Losing a child is a hard thing, losing a child in the womb is hard as well. Trying to have a child before age takes it from you is difficult. Some of us have went through this pain. To laugh off the risks in a group that was not well tested during the vax approval process does not really make me feel good.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by henry_bone »

fernandotakai wrote: post #37
mcronce wrote: post #20

> long after covid is any sort threat whatsoever People dying and people with - and still getting- long COVID would probably disagree with that statement.

i took all three shots and got covid about two weeks ago. it was HARSH. no sense of smell, no sense of taste, 3 days with high-ish fever (39C), the body ache was crazy bad and worse of all: brain fog. i managed to avoid going to the hospital, but barely. and that's with 3 shots. i'm almost sure i would be in an ICU if i didn't get any shots.

I am 49yo, male. I'm healthy, but mildly overweight. I was very fit prior to the lockdowns (Melbourne, Vic, Australia), but I lacked the disciplinary wherewithall to maintain that fitness over the past couple of years.

I have chosen not to receive any Covid19 vaccinations and so I am "unvaccinated". I thought it was never going to happen, but eventually I contracted covid19, over Easter period this year. I too experienced myalgia, a mild fever. I also had a sore throat for about 2 days. I didn't completely lose my sense of smell, but coffee (for example) didn't taste great. Same with wine. That anosmia, such as it was, persisted for a week or two.

But that's it really. It was all over in about 2.5 days. I would not describe what I experienced as "harsh". I've had Influenza, and that was harsh. Sat me on my arse for a solid week. But not this. By day 4, I was doing household chores and more or less back to normal (mild anosmia not withstanding).

So, YMMV. :-)

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by autoexec »

in_cahoots wrote: post #9

As someone who was trying to conceive while the vaccine rolled out, this isn’t surprising. People were regularly reporting basal temperature spikes, delayed ovulation, and delayed periods. This is a community that is extremely data-oriented, since with the right measurements you’re able to predict your fertile (or non-fertile) window. I was disappointed to see how little research there was into menstruation at the ti…

> but nobody really cared to look at the impact on menstruation or pregnancy beyond confirming that the rate of miscarriage is unchanged.

It's hard to blame them for not spending a ton of time before approving the vaccine considering safe changes to menstruation when they were working to do something about the dead bodies which were piling up so quickly they had to be stacked into semi trailers and dumped into mass graves. People were dying in vast numbers and we needed something safe and effective at preventing those deaths and the vaccines were exactly that. Safe and effective.

Obviously, they were very much concerned with pregnancy and miscarriage. A vaccine that makes people infertile or causes them to miscarry would never have been approved, but it's pretty reasonable that every possible impact wouldn't be noticed and deeply studied before getting it out to people.

Especially those side effects that only impact women since women (especially pregnant women) tend to be underrepresented since they're much more hesitant to enter drug trials in the first place leading to limited data. You can't blame the women for that. If it's unknown if a drug has a negative impact on fertility signing up to try it out on your body or your baby is taking a huge risk. The FDA's policy used to be to exclude women from the earliest trials to protect them for this reason, but that too caused problems to be missed. Adding women in early means it's more likely that a problem that affects only a small percentage of women will be caught, but there are no certainties.

For what it's worth, the menstruation issue wasn't ignored by science either. Covid infection also causes changes to menstruation and there was some evidence and concerns that infections may impact fertility in some cases. All of this has been looked into as reports came in. That's the process working. Vaccines are shown to be likely safe so they go out to the public, then doctors and patients continue to report issues that arise to gather data on side effects.

Some early papers about the impact of the vaccines on women (and pregnancies) include:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S102845592...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7522626/

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.11.21264863v...

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2211

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6....

https://journals.lww.com/greenjournal/Fulltext/9900/Severe_A...

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.17.21257337v...

https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-798175/v1

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by JohnTHaller »

PKop wrote: post #88
JohnTHaller wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My under 40 triathlete friend with no comorbidities who wound up in the ICU for a month and needed two surgeries to drain his lungs would beg to differ. Or my buddy down the block under 40 with no cormorbities who is now on beta blockers for long term Covid. As would folks like my Dad who the vaccine and first booster didn't work on due to his suppressed immune system from receiving my kidney.

Careful with extreme endurance exercise, it can be immuno suppressive [0] I would advise a balance between weightlifting, moderate cardio, lots of sunlight exposure for Vitamin D and testosterone support, and a balanced diet. And yes there are instances of young, non co-morbid people dying from covid. Statistically, not that many, so I'm not worried about it. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3475230/

He does far more than just what you listed. He's been doing it for years with advisement from multiple doctors.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by JohnTHaller »

baremetal wrote: post #152
PKop wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Careful with extreme endurance exercise, it can be immuno suppressive [0] I would advise a balance between weightlifting, moderate cardio, lots of sunlight exposure for Vitamin D and testosterone support, and a balanced diet. And yes there are instances of young, non co-morbid people dying from covid. Statistically, not that many, so I'm not worried about it. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3475230/

>I would advise a balance between weightlifting, moderate cardio, lots of sunlight exposure for Vitamin D and testosterone support, and a balanced diet. That is exactly what I do, and I never get sick.

He was the same. Covid kicked his ass though.
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