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Corn Cobs: Fuel of Nightmares

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Re: Corn Cobs: Fuel of Nightmares

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post #106

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How does removing the biomass improve soil health?

Read two comments up. Biochar/ash made from the biomass goes into the soil.

So ideally one of your systems would be at the local elevator to make stover dropoff/biochar pickup easy? And then maybe someday combines would have a baler on them? And the biochar could go in a manure spreader for application?

Is there waste heat/syngas coming off the pyrolysis (beyond what's needed for sustaining it)? If so, have you looked into applying that to grain drying?

Re: Corn Cobs: Fuel of Nightmares

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I love this story. The lesson here is that the real world is messy and good engineers have to think on their feet. It also gives me hope that somehow humanity will actually solve climate change.

I thought it was interesting how they were patting themselves on the back for getting a solution in place in "only 7 weeks". I guess because they aren't in real production yet the timelines can slip, but I have to wonder if they had consulted with a farmer they may have found a solution at the Tractor Supply the same day that would have left their operation running while the rest of the team did the work back in CA of tracking down and negotiating with suppliers for the final product.

Farmers are often masters of mechanical improvisation because they have very narrow windows in which they can plant or harvest so breakdowns have to be fixed or worked around in just hours or at most a few days.

Re: Corn Cobs: Fuel of Nightmares

#153
post #104

This is such a great article, the summary of which is “I/O is hard”, which every programmer surely knows (and if they don’t, they haven’t tried). Ok, it’s a great article for other reasons too.

Everything works great until the real world gets involved.

Re: Corn Cobs: Fuel of Nightmares

#154
post #55

> Light and flexible pieces of wheat straw in San Francisco had easily been conveyed pneumatically from the tub grinder into the hammer mill. Okay, that is a very basic failure of engineering/imagination. I’m not saying shame is in order here, but several someone’s should be made to feel uncomfortable over this cock-up. Including the hiring manager because they went for kids instead of people with experience. Why on…

> Why on earth would you assume you could move corn residues with air?

From what the article describes later on, it appears the air pressure was actually generated by the tub grinder itself, not by any additional device.

So the appeal of the original design might have been that no active conveyance solutions was needed at all: Because the grinder's air exhaust stream - which you get "for free" - already provides enough pressure to move the material up the pipe, as long as the material is light enough.

That lets you greatly simplify the design, because now you can connect the grinder and the mill with a simple pipe and be done.

For me it makes sense that they used the simplest possible solution that worked for their previous use cases. When trying to use their system with corn, they probably wanted to give their previous approach a try, before taking the time and effort of modifying the system.

Edit: Got it wrong, both grinder and mill were creating the pressure. But the basic point is still correct I think. The choice was not air vs belt, it was "use the airflow that's there anyway" vs "build some active transport in addition to airflow".

Re: Corn Cobs: Fuel of Nightmares

#155

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How is this an overall improvement over leaving the corn stalks in the field to decompose and return nutrients to the soil? This process moves soil nutrients away from point of origin. (Serious question from former Iowa farm boy who still owns corn ground operated by others. Should I let my tenants ship stover away? I want to be a good steward of the soil. )

Whatever their answer they'll need to account for the fuel cost of the trip to a facility, lifecycle cost of the instrumentation, and fuel cost of a return trip for where ever the whatever is going to go. I can tell you right now having done experimental LCA previously, its not gonna pen out. The cost of moving massive amounts of 'stuff' to do 'something' with it when its an extremely low margin, low value add produc…

Yes, that is my take. It only works economically if the soil nutrients come back to the field, and it costs no more (net) than adding a stalk chopper to the combine.

Extra trips over the field burn fuel, and something needs to pay for the dollar cost of that (in added fertilizer value or something) not to mention the net carbon emissions of burning diesel to go over the field again.

Re: Corn Cobs: Fuel of Nightmares

#156
post #75

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indianapolis_International_Air... ?

That’s not a list of international airports, though. I’m unclear what page I was looking at now, but it only had about a dozen on it and IND was not one of them. Disconnected data is just information, not knowledge.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_airpor... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_in_the_United... both list KIND

Re: Corn Cobs: Fuel of Nightmares

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If you like plants in your fish tank, pumping in CO2 has an amazing effect on them. Far more growth than pumping in air. There is some nice hardware for achieving it.

Are they actually CO2 concentrators or some variation of buying dry ice or compressed gas and injecting it?

I did it by running gas off fermentation (sugar and water) and it worked amazingly well.

I’d have to refuel about once a week.

Doing via CO2 bottle is the way I’d do it now and is how the impressive displays do it (for the ones I’ve seen).

Re: Corn Cobs: Fuel of Nightmares

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post #102

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On self driving car, I think we are solving all the problems caused by cars like air pollution and congestion with "better" car. First we have electric car, then we (will) have electric self driving car. Public transport seems boring enough that no one talks about. Is there anything foundamentally wrong with buses and trains (and bike too) compared with cars? While we moved pass the faster horse era, we are now searc…

>Is there anything foundamentally wrong with buses and trains It's slower, a round trip I could make in 30 minutes in a car would take careful scheduling and two hours on a bus. Sometimes it's cold outside and I'd have to walk half a mile to and from a bus stop. The local transit authority is experimenting with reducing the number of light rail cars so they'll be better covered by transit police in cars because viole…

The way to make PT work is for it to be faster than cars. People should choose it because it’s faster/cheaper/more convenient, not because they have no alternative.

You’ll find this is typically the case in large cities that prioritise it appropriately - Between spending an hour in a car or on a train I’d choose the train every time.

Re: Corn Cobs: Fuel of Nightmares

#159

Honestly, all I am hearing is whining. There are so many ways to transport material up. Miners transport ROCKS, upwards, from kilometers beneath Earth surface. They then crush those rocks into fine powder to extract tiny specks of gold from it. Magic? I don't think so. So you chose a wrong tool for the job and are blaming corn? You moved from a lab to "real world" and are surprised it is not all nice, uniform and sph…

I don't see any whining. They found an unexpected issue, worked the issue and solved it. How is any of that "whining"?
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