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Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by arethuza »

2143 wrote: post #150
arethuza wrote: post #87

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And a maker of great value practical cars - my last 3 cars (and my wife's last 2 cars) have all been Škodas. However, I was disappointed that they stopped making the Yeti.

Are Skoda cars with DSG transmissions reliable in Europe? They're unreliable where I'm from. Otherwise, they make fabulous desirable cars.

We've had 3 DSG cars between us - no problems so far. Mind you, they were under warranty and we get them regularly serviced.

My current car is a 1l 3-cylinder DSG Kamiq - which I am pretty happy with. Only complaint being the slow starting touch screen and the move away from physical buttons (e.g. for heated windscreen).

Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by 2143 »

arethuza wrote: post #151
2143 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are Skoda cars with DSG transmissions reliable in Europe? They're unreliable where I'm from. Otherwise, they make fabulous desirable cars.

We've had 3 DSG cars between us - no problems so far. Mind you, they were under warranty and we get them regularly serviced. My current car is a 1l 3-cylinder DSG Kamiq - which I am pretty happy with. Only complaint being the slow starting touch screen and the move away from physical buttons (e.g. for heated windscreen).

Wow that's pretty cool.

Over here it's only a matter of time before DSG inevitably fails.

Apparently, it tends to overheat when idling in traffic in D. This is also a problem in VW cars which uses the same gearbox.

It's a really hot climate where I live; I wonder if that's a factor.

The good thing is that Skoda/VW don't hesitate before replacing a failed gearbox (and then that one fails).

It's a lovely gearbox when it works.

Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by touristtam »

franch wrote: post #47
gsnedders wrote: post #35

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https://www.factorywarrantylist.com/car-sales-by-manufacture... places Stellantis with 30% lower production than VW in 2021. But the thing that's super stark is how many marquees Stellantis have; I can't help but think that some consolidation and focusing of resources would be beneficial (and I'm well aware that plenty is shared already).

They keep all the marquees because they sell better in the various European national markets, but many models are now the same platform with some small aesthetic changes. For example the new electric citroen berlingo / fiat doblo / opel combo are the same car: https://www.citroen.it/modelli/berlingo/elettrico.html https://www.fiat.it/e-doblo/e-doblo https://www.opel.it/veicoli/gamma-combo/combo-e-life/panoram...

Yes and unfortunately that's what Chrysler are well known for. Hopefully their culture of churning rebadged (I am a bit harsh here) car has died with the merger of all of those corporation.

Chrysler has been taken over by different entities throughout the last 40 years but somehow managed to drag the new owner down every time. A bit like Rover before the Chinese takeover.

Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by arethuza »

2143 wrote: post #152
arethuza wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've had 3 DSG cars between us - no problems so far. Mind you, they were under warranty and we get them regularly serviced. My current car is a 1l 3-cylinder DSG Kamiq - which I am pretty happy with. Only complaint being the slow starting touch screen and the move away from physical buttons (e.g. for heated windscreen).

Wow that's pretty cool. Over here it's only a matter of time before DSG inevitably fails. Apparently, it tends to overheat when idling in traffic in D. This is also a problem in VW cars which uses the same gearbox. It's a really hot climate where I live; I wonder if that's a factor. The good thing is that Skoda/VW don't hesitate before replacing a failed gearbox (and then that one fails). It's a lovely gearbox when i…

"it tends to overheat"

I'm in Scotland, so it rarely gets above 20C and it quite often fairly damp - which presumably keeps the gearbox nice and cool :-)

Edit: We also very rarely sit in traffic, which might help as well.

Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by touristtam »

Markoff wrote: post #12

Wow, I don't follow car news recently, so just now discovered Peugeot, Citroen, Fiat and Opel have same owner now (Stellantis), still can't comprehened how could be such merger approved by regulators. Also was aware that Nissan and Renault cooperate, but didn't know there is also Mitshubishi with them. Btw. Adobe Acrobat logo would like to have a word.

Something that went amiss in the graph is the Samsung Car division that Renault took direct ownership a while ago.

Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by 2143 »

arethuza wrote: post #155
2143 wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow that's pretty cool. Over here it's only a matter of time before DSG inevitably fails. Apparently, it tends to overheat when idling in traffic in D. This is also a problem in VW cars which uses the same gearbox. It's a really hot climate where I live; I wonder if that's a factor. The good thing is that Skoda/VW don't hesitate before replacing a failed gearbox (and then that one fails). It's a lovely gearbox when i…

"it tends to overheat" I'm in Scotland, so it rarely gets above 20C and it quite often fairly damp - which presumably keeps the gearbox nice and cool :-) Edit: We also very rarely sit in traffic, which might help as well.

Still, other gearboxes work well here. So maybe there's a design fault somewhere.

There's a Wikipedia entry for DSG problems: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-shift_gearbox#Problem...

Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by arethuza »

2143 wrote: post #157
arethuza wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"it tends to overheat" I'm in Scotland, so it rarely gets above 20C and it quite often fairly damp - which presumably keeps the gearbox nice and cool :-) Edit: We also very rarely sit in traffic, which might help as well.

Still, other gearboxes work well here. So maybe there's a design fault somewhere. There's a Wikipedia entry for DSG problems: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-shift_gearbox#Problem...

I'm now a complete convert to DSG style gearboxes. Mind you next car will hopefully be electric so problem goes away - probably an Enyaq.

Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by balderdash »

skywal_l wrote: post #37
belval wrote: post #16

I always wanted something like this but for all companies. I feel like it would be a great tool to help people understand how giant conglomerates are actually a big part of what we consume. My favorite are outdoor clothing companies which almost all tie-in to the same Chinese investment fund. Or how glasses companies all belong to that one French conglomerate.

Ideally, in a democracy, it should be open and transparent who owns what, up to the individual. That should be the basic principle of a free market.

Why? What does a system of voting have to with privacy?

Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by rurban »

sgt wrote: post #60

Even though Volkswagen (VW) owns cars like Porsche and others, it should be mentioned that Porsche SE controls and owns majority in VW.

Exactly. As it is labelled as owner tree, Porsche (the Porsche and Piesch families) owns VW and all its subsidiaries, esp. Audi.

But technically Audi owns the whole group. VW doesn't plan and design the engines, gearboxes and cars, Audi does. VW is more a logistics and SW company now, just with a big brand name, with the cheaper "Audis" labelled as VW.

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