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Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by delecti »

chacham15 wrote: post #23
superb-owl wrote: post #5

This is huge. Forcing Apple to allow app side-loading, third-party payments, etc is going to wrest away control of the iOS ecosystem (and eat pretty heavily into their revenues [1] [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/apple-implies-it-generated-r... I hope some of these regulations spill over into the U.S. and the rest of the world.

The US already has one which is supposed to be voted upon soon: https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/271...

Huh, there's even a bipartisan spread of cosponsors. That might actually have a chance.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by mantas »

tchocky wrote: post #125
bushbaba wrote: post #87

Sounds like a security nightmare. The reason I like my iPhone is because it’s a walled garden. Things just work. This regulation hampers this

Not really. It can still be a walled garden if there is an opt out option, so you can still be able to be inside it but with the option to go out of it and be able to sideload/use different app stores. Also the Apple app store will definitely still be the main source as people usually don't switch that easily for almost no benefit. No one will force you use a different app store as well.

What if super popular apps launch their own stores?

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by ReptileMan »

oneoff786 wrote: post #94
VyseofArcadia wrote: post #85

I really hope Sony and Nintendo are classified as gatekeepers as well because this > Allow users to install apps from third-party app stores and sideload directly from the internet. would be huge for Playstation and Switch owners.

It might kill off consoles entirely tbh

It won't - without root piracy will still be extremely hard.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by warning26 »

_the_inflator wrote: post #120
superb-owl wrote: post #5

This is huge. Forcing Apple to allow app side-loading, third-party payments, etc is going to wrest away control of the iOS ecosystem (and eat pretty heavily into their revenues [1] [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/apple-implies-it-generated-r... I hope some of these regulations spill over into the U.S. and the rest of the world.

Never underestimate the creative genius of Apple. They will come up with new solutions to keep their walled garden. "Allow users to install apps from third-party app stores and sideload directly from the internet" I bet this is going to be a horrible user experience. "Are you really sure?", "Apple takes no responsibility not warranty" whatsoever. What sound usually easy on paper...

Definitely -- I can imagine them making it some kind of faustian bargain, where in exchange for enabling sideloading, you void your warranty, never get any software updates again, can't connect to any Apple online services whatsoever, etc.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by mpweiher »

_the_inflator wrote: post #120
superb-owl wrote: post #5

This is huge. Forcing Apple to allow app side-loading, third-party payments, etc is going to wrest away control of the iOS ecosystem (and eat pretty heavily into their revenues [1] [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/apple-implies-it-generated-r... I hope some of these regulations spill over into the U.S. and the rest of the world.

Never underestimate the creative genius of Apple. They will come up with new solutions to keep their walled garden. "Allow users to install apps from third-party app stores and sideload directly from the internet" I bet this is going to be a horrible user experience. "Are you really sure?", "Apple takes no responsibility not warranty" whatsoever. What sound usually easy on paper...

> creative genius of Apple.

You're forgetting the "no creative geniuses"-clause, aka repeated fines of 10-20% of worldwide turnover.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by philliphaydon »

Apocryphon wrote: post #140
philliphaydon wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s other browsers on android. No one uses them. Safari is great. It works. No issues. But developers will do what they did to ie. develop for chrome and shove a banner up blocking safari.

Again, sounds like Apple needs to do a better job improving Safari. If developers and consumers choose Chrome, it's up to competitors to find a way to disrupt their lead, not engage in monopolistic practices to stop a monopoly.

There’s nothing to improve.

Developers want push notifications on a web browser for mobile? That’s not an improvement.

Firefox is a better browser than chrome but you can’t move people away from chrome.

So regardless of what you think. Adding other browsers to iOS will only have a negative long term effect.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by adventured »

Youden wrote: post #105
988747 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if it would make more financial sense for Apple to withdraw from EU market, rather than complying. The numbers for 2021 are pretty much in line: $89B - Apple sales in Europe (including some non-EU countries, most notably UK) $85B - Apple AppStore revenue worldwide. The question is: which one has more potential for growth.

How could it make more financial sense to withdraw? As long as Apple keeps selling iPhones, there's still profit to be made, App Store be damned.

It doesn't. The parent premise - that Apple is going to be severely harmed financially by any of this - is something far beyond silly.

Apple will barely see a dent from it. Their profit juggernaut will keep rolling on almost exactly the same.

The parent comment in question - "and eat pretty heavily into their revenues" - is confusing their personal projected wishful thinking (obviously desperately wanting big tech to falter) with actual reality (the one where Apple has no serious competitive threats in smartphones for what they do, and as such they'll keep marching on just the same).

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by 3836293648 »

tchocky wrote: post #35
kmlx wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> great, just like in the mid-00's! funnily enough i was working on apps that did this back in the mid 00s. it was horrible. the standards simply couldn’t keep up. the clients couldn’t keep up. in the end it was better for the end user not use those standards and instead we rolled our own. could be different story today but i don’t think so. just the video call feature would be an absolute mess to standardise. hell,…

Emojis are just Unicode characters, why would it be so hard?

That's just emoji. Think about Apple's animoji

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by warning26 »

kinnth wrote: post #147
ParksNet wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple's greed (in maintaining the egregious 30% commission for so long) is going to undermine their entire ecosystem. If Apple moved voluntarily to 10% or 15% for all, there never would have been the industry pressure for this sort of regulation. The EU would have been better to just mandate a maximum % commission for all digital marketplaces above a certain level of revenue. This new solution will get poked full of…

If iPhones had different app stores with 15% fees, then consumers would decide. I think the real issue here is consumers are gona get hyper confused and it wont be a better experience for anyone. Every single app creator out there will now want their own "app store" and it's going to be a mess. 30% fee initially to capture that market was what our company factored in and grew exponentially with. A 15% fee is nothing…

> Every single app creator out there will now want their own "app store" and it's going to be a mess.

This is such an oft-repeated argument, yet overlooks that Android already allows sideloading and alternative app stores. If everyone-creating-their-own-app-store hasn't happened on Android, why would iOS be different?

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by VyseofArcadia »

oneoff786 wrote: post #94
VyseofArcadia wrote: post #85

I really hope Sony and Nintendo are classified as gatekeepers as well because this > Allow users to install apps from third-party app stores and sideload directly from the internet. would be huge for Playstation and Switch owners.

It might kill off consoles entirely tbh

I sure hope not. As I age, the value prop of consoles is, I don't have to mess with settings or diagnose problems or sacrifice goats to the "did this update break something" gods.

It just works. I can just play games.

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