Super weird to make a COC about your Christian values but I respect the check-the-form hustle.
I think it's funny. "Need a code of conduct? Here, this one's a classic"
The SQLite Code of Ethics
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Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics
#152I've used SQLite in the long past (early 2000s) and had fun with it, but I had never seen this. Imposing your religious beliefs through a ..code of "ethics" no less, in exchange for some (arguably small) thing you've done that is completely irrelevant to these beliefs is ludicrous. While I secretly hope that the author is light-spirited in writing this, I will err on the safe side and never use, and actively steer fo…
> in exchange for some (arguably small) thing you've done
I dunno that I'd describe the most deployed database in the world "some (arguably small) thing", really?
Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
> a set of beliefs The elephant in the room in many current attempts to encourage "diversity" is that a genuinely diverse range of opinions and/or beliefs ends up being not welcome at all.
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Whereas your use of “a group of people from multiple ethnicities, genders, sexualities and creeds” is code for:
> People who agree with my political ideology.
A woman of color that held heretical beliefs contrary to your orthodoxy would be no more welcome than anyone else.
It’s telling that you argue that your opponents are “people who want to silence, suppress and destroy anyone not part of the dominant group”, and then immediately turn around use that assertion to justify the necessity of silencing and suppressing those not part of your dominant group.
Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except for all the current developers which makes it seem like Christianity is a prerequisite for getting hired or contributing. I get frustrated at the SJW CoCs but this is arguably just as bad or worse.
SQLite neither accepts external contribution nor do they hire anyone.
I guess all the contributions magically appear out of thin air since nobody is allowed to contribute from outside the organization and nobody has ever joined the organization to contribute from the inside either.
Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Could J. K. Rowling require Harry Potter readers to follow a code of conduct? Nobody attempts to apply codes of conduct to users of software - that's the domain of the license agreement. They only apply to communities. Virtually every online community around harry potter has some set of rules for participating in that community. e.g. https://stories.jkrowling.com/terms-of-use/ > Could Werner Heisenberg demand that…
So, you skipped over the point and went directly to the ad-hominem. Do you learn much with this approach?
I did learn a bunch, I went on a bit of a dive refreshing what I knew about the MPI and Heisenberg. Interesting stuff.
But back to your point. Your point was made using two examples. Bad examples, in my opinion, since the first doesn't apply (consumption of work vs collaboration) and the second one also doesn't apply (building on others work vs collaboration).
Your further point about watching what people do vs what they say they do is a reasonable point, but doesn't have much to do with the value of a code of conduct. I'm pretty much in agreement, that's the best way to proceed when collaborating with a single individual - but communities are more than the sum of their parts. If there are three people collaborating on a project, and one swears a lot in their commits, and one prefers a lack of swearing, and one doesn't care either way - how do you resolve that conflict? Nothing you've said offers a useful tool to navigate that situation.
Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics
#156I've used SQLite in the long past (early 2000s) and had fun with it, but I had never seen this. Imposing your religious beliefs through a ..code of "ethics" no less, in exchange for some (arguably small) thing you've done that is completely irrelevant to these beliefs is ludicrous. While I secretly hope that the author is light-spirited in writing this, I will err on the safe side and never use, and actively steer fo…
While I would never agree to this particular Code of Ethics, this document isn't intended to be some license you agree to in order to use SQLite. See "2.1. Scope of Application" -- It makes it clear that this is intended to be the developer's promise to the user, not the other way around.
Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't help but notice the contrast with the popular, Contributor Covenant Code of Conduct, which makes it abundantly clear its aim to enforce a set of beliefs on its contributors, with no boundaries between professional and personal life.
The Contributor Covenant is the gold standard for a reason: it is a response to the bigotry and harassment problems that were endemic to the open source communities. Alone it doesn't achieve much, but combined with a good faith enforcement board it helps keep a community a pleasant, joyful place to contribute to, for everyone. And that will increase software quality and attract quality people, aside from being, you k…
> it is a response to the bigotry and harassment problems that were endemic to the open source communities
Such as???
Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics
#158seeing as some people have already added some comments criticizing the code of conduct, I thought I'd add what I think is the most important parts of that code of Ethics : > No one is required to follow The Rule [...] or even think that [it] is a good idea. [...] anyone is free to dispute or ignore that idea [...] > This is a one-way promise [...]. the developers are saying "we will treat you this way regardless of h…
I can't help but notice the contrast with the popular, Contributor Covenant Code of Conduct, which makes it abundantly clear its aim to enforce a set of beliefs on its contributors, with no boundaries between professional and personal life.
I personally see the creator covenant to be a huge detriment, if not even a danger, to open source.
Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics
#159Anything couched in religious language immediately turns people off even if what is being said perfectly aligns with the reader’s beliefs.
Philosophize this has some good discussions about religious vocabulary when discussing Kierkegaard.
Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
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> If you have a truly diverse group of people, they will not suffer fascists in their group Not sure why one has to jump straight to fascists. Shouldn't a truly diverse group of people always include people with views that you disagree with? Otherwise we're defining a diverse group as 'looking diverse ' yet all thinking the same.
I think it's helpful when seeing the word "fascist" in 2022 to not take it literally. It now simply means "people to the right of me".