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Rare ‘triple’ La Niña climate event looks likely

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

lovich wrote: post #83
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #72

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Agriculture typically uses 75-80% of the water in southwestern states. Residential is around 7% (similar to losses from evaporation). Residential per-capita use has been declining for decades. Agricultural use per acre or flat or rising. Stopping development has little to do with the water issues in the SW (it might still be a good idea, but this is not the main reason why)

It does not change the fact that the area is becoming unliveable without massive investment. Why should the rest of the country subsidize these people lifestyle choices to live in an inhospitable area? I’d be willing to support subsidizing moving them to a new location that’s better suited to living in, but I have no interest in helping pay for people to spit in reality’s eye so they can live in a place they have emo…

1. "the area" is not homogenous. the northern parts of AZ and NM (even CA) to some extent are climactically and geologically quite unlike the southern parts.

2. humans have lived in the area for thousands of years. Yes, it doesn't fit into a northern European notion of "the kind of place humans should live", but it fits entirely into the southern European, north African and Arabic culture and living patterns. These cultures (along with the native Americans ones that flourished here for millenia) have developed sophisticated ways of living in this sort of climate and landscape.

3. it's not unlivable, it's just unfarmable (note that this is different from subsistence ag. or gardening).

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Post by danaris »

htlion wrote: post #115
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #72

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Agriculture typically uses 75-80% of the water in southwestern states. Residential is around 7% (similar to losses from evaporation). Residential per-capita use has been declining for decades. Agricultural use per acre or flat or rising. Stopping development has little to do with the water issues in the SW (it might still be a good idea, but this is not the main reason why)

Residential is only 7% if you put the burden on the producer (agriculture) and not the consumer (people). Every time that such numbers are shared, most people quickly jumps to "farmers should pay more attention / switch cultures". Very rarely someone will talk about the impacts: a change of diet for consumers, most likely with less meat (though depends on the area). It is easy to assume that the water you consume onl…

People will buy roughly the same amount of almonds whether they're produced in California or Ohio[0]. Claiming that we have to attribute agricultural water (ab)use to the consumer is just absolving the producers of any and all responsibility for destructive, short-sighted decisions about where and how to produce.

[0] Or any other place with a reasonable natural amount of rainfall. Nothing special about Ohio for this purpose.

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Post by formerkrogemp »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #26
swayvil wrote: post #23

Southern IL here Present spring is looking to be both the coldest and hottest in recent memory. Really obnoxious. For a couple weeks we got crazy powerful winds. Thrashed everything. Right now we are in a drought.

We just had one of the wettest, coolest springs in a long time here in the PNW - really haven't had a spring like this since 2011. And then right on cue the summer switch was turned on a couple of days ago and we're expecting to be in the 90s for a few days (up to 98 on Sunday). It's kind of jarring to go from ~60F cloudy&wet just about every day for the last couple of months to 90s over the course of just a few days…

Meh, that kind of weather change is normal for the inland American southeast. We had a temperature change a few years back in excess of 40 degrees in 18 hours.

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Post by nlitened »

bruce343434 wrote: post #138
nlitened wrote: post #134

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2 in 24 three-year slots, so 8.3% again

Why would you count in 3 year slots? You're saying that it could happen on 1950, but not 1951, and not 1952, but again on 1953? What if there was La Niña on 1952, 1953 and 1954? Your method does not account for that. Natural events and climate do not adhere to someone's made up "mod 3" date statistics.

Let’s try going from contrary. You said 2 in 72. Imagine a situation when it’s 72 in 72, which means, 72 years straight, each year had a three-year streak. This doesn’t make any sense. Surely the maximum amount of three-year groups in 72 years is far fewer than 72.

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Post by BoiledCabbage »

distances wrote: post #127
twicetwice wrote: post #66

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For Americans (and others?) who are OOTL, rocket == arugula. It has a bunch of other names too, apparently.

For continental Europeans: they mean rucola

Interesting - arugula and rucola are very similar phonetically.

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Post by guhidalg »

ainiriand wrote: post #118
takeda wrote: post #100

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Interesting, thanks. If anyone is interested: "La niña" translates to "the girl" according to google translate (perhaps I saved someone extra clicks :)

Not a good translation, it is the kid (a female kid). Problem is that we (spanish speakers) have letters to define the gender of the noun. The girl would be 'la chica'.

Some countries would use “la niña” instead of “la chica”. It depends on where you’re from. (Source: native Spanish speaker)

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Post by guhidalg »

andrewnicolalde wrote: post #129
ainiriand wrote: post #119

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El niño -> the kid. El chico -> the boy.

I’d say “el chico” translates more to “the lad”, but perhaps this is a matter of regional dialects.

There absolutely are regional differences with these particular words. People will understand if you use either one but they’ll know you’re not of that place if you use the less common one.

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Post by jefurii »

kurthr wrote: post #9
ianai wrote: post #3

Really starting to feel dangerous to live anywhere in the US southwest. Lake Meade approaching deadpool and massive wildfire nearing my house this summer. Plus the government is led by people who refer to much of the southwest as “fly over country” doesn’t help.

I thought the 9 most terrifying words were, "I'm from the government and I’m here to help"? What do you expect the Feds to do about the weather?

Pay farmers not to grow almonds or raise cattle - prioritize humans!

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Post by bogomipz »

lovich wrote: post #89
bogomipz wrote: post #54

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Can you walk me through how the Federal Government could use eminent domain to untangle the water rights? What exactly is the Government going to expropriate as part of eminent domain? There are seven states that depend on the water from the Colorado River.

> Can you walk me through how the Federal Government could use eminent domain to untangle the water rights? Eminent domaining the water? The federal government at the highest level(SCOTUS) have no problem using eminent domain for things as frivolous as an unfinanced mall with no strings attached for the _private_ developer. They certainly wouldn't pause to eminent domain this if they cared. Unfortunately these are re…

You didn't actually answer my question. It sounds like you might be confused on what eminent domain is. Eminent domain provides the Federal government with the power to take private property and convert it into public use. There is no single piece of land here. This is not only not land it's literally water that flows across the land. Further it's not private property. The Colorado River basin covers 250,000 square is almost 1,400 miles long. Not only do seven states depend on it but Mexico also has rights to it under The Mexican Water Treaty of 1944. To compare it to appropriating land for a mall is absurd.

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

sen wrote: post #136
steve_adams_86 wrote: post #7

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I follow an Australian hydroponic gardener and general tinkerer on YouTube named Hoocho and he has documented a bit of the mess the weather has caused lately. It’s extremely disheartening. One thing he noticed is that the water has pushed ants to find new places to live (including his growing enclosure, where they’ve made a home in his electrical box), and they’ve brought aphids to farm along with them. Obviously thi…

Thanks for the mention of Hoocho, hadn't heard of him and binging his videos right now as I've started building an aquaponics setup and a greenhouse to grow more of my own food. The ants thing is very random and very real too. My paint cupboard in the shed (where I keep all my spraypaints/chemicals) became an ants nest a few weeks ago thanks to the rain. I opened it up and every single surface was crawling with a ful…

I hope you enjoy his channel as much as I do!

He really motivates me to be more engaged and creative with the skills I have. I’m good about certain things, like I’ll go out in my shop and build things with wood, but I’ve been very slow to get into CNC and printing work despite my interest. I think the stuff he does made it click. He’s just making little clips, plant pots, and other small utilities, but he’s using them to create new and interesting solutions.

In other words he uses a little to do a lot. It’s really cool. Such a great way to lower that barrier and make 3D printing fun and useful.

Good luck with your projects, too. I added a small greenhouse years ago and it was so worth it, and it’s become a major part of how I plan my garden and think about growing.

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