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Deno raises $21M

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Re: Deno raises $21M

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Is the intent of this product to compete with something like Netlify?

No, Netlify actually uses Deno to some degree: https://www.netlify.com/blog/announcing-serverless-compute-w...

Right, but the $21M of funding seems to be for Deno Deploy, the product, not Deno, the CLI.

Re: Deno raises $21M

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I don't know if marketing was involved with using the term 'isolate' or not but if they are isolates as described by companies such as Cloudflare and Google, it might help to speak a bit more about the actual implementation at the infrastructure level. Isolates are a really interesting approach to deal with the inherent nature of scripting languages to deal with the lack of threads as most scripting languages are inh…

> Having said that, they should never be considered as a multi-tenant (N customers) isolation 'security' barrier. They are there for scaling not security. V8 isolates are absolutely designed for security. For 10 years V8 was the only security barrier between sites in Chrome. Now they have retrofitted strict site isolation for defense-in-depth, but that doesn't mean the V8 team suddenly doesn't care about security. Ch…

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Re: Deno raises $21M

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> Early in cloud computing, virtual machines were the compute abstraction […] This is funny to me because serverless sounds to me like the return of PHP (etc) shared hosting. What's old is new again?

It’s amusing to see a whole generation of senior developers (“senior” as in 5+ years of experience) that haven’t experienced web development without React[0] and who proceed to reinvent PHP/ASP.NET/RoR. [0] Used here as shorthand for “modern js driven development”

You seem to be suggesting the Deno team has <= 5 years experience. Else, who is recreating PHP/ASP.NET/RoR?

Re: Deno raises $21M

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like TypeScript and would like to write backends in TypeScript. I'm coming around on Elixir. I never want to write Go that interacts with a database again. Rust seems complicated. I don't think I'm smart or committed enough to get anywhere with rust.

> I never want to write Go that interacts with a database again. Why? I’ve been using sqlx and it seems fine.

yeah, i'm using pgx and it rocks

Re: Deno raises $21M

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+ People get paid, hopefully a few even get big $. - Investors want unicorn returns. Good luck!

What is their actual business model? I know there's Deno Deploy, and presumably they offer some kind of enterprise-support type deal. But the first is easily copied by competitors (in an already-crowded market), and the other isn't super lucrative. Is there anything else? I love Deno and want it to succeed, but it doesn't feel like a unicorn, and I'm worried about it being expected to become one

Considering that one of those competitors is Netlify, then either the incumbent (i.e. Netlify) is in a great position to benefit from a succeeding Deno, or Deno Deploy does succeed and Netlify can profit from that. A bunch of other participants (GitHub/Nat Friedman, Automattic) seem like they could benefit from a thriving ecosystem around Deno as well, even if Deno Deploy isn't particularly successful.

Re: Deno raises $21M

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was a few years back and I was mainly playing with a few early projects. I was very productive, but wanted to target my Raspberry Pi and it just wasn't there. I ended up going 100% rust instead.

There are still no RPi builds as far as I am aware, which is a shame as there are now Mac silicon builds so not sure what the hold up is. I do wonder if there are.more Raspberry Pi's out there than M1/M2 Macs :) Someone is doing the builds here - been using them and seem ok: https://github.com/LukeChannings/deno-arm64

The M1 builds are made manually by us, as github doesnt provide any runners. the same problem does apply for linux arm, however we don't have any arm linux systems any one of the members use; and building on a pi is a no-go, as that can take 70+ minutes, so that would make our release cycle a lot more complicated. Either way, we are investigating potential possibilities besides waiting for github to have runners available

Re: Deno raises $21M

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It will be interesting to see if Deno can provide the level of productivity improvement node.js delivered (was supposed to deliver? continues to deliver?). It's one thing for it to claim supremacy over node, but can it attract the TJ Holowaychuk's of the world and truly generate a full ecosystem.

> but can it attract the TJ Holowaychuk's of the world and truly generate a full ecosystem

Something like this? https://twitter.com/dassurma/status/1407048553768402949

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