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Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by southerntofu »

causality0 wrote: post #141
toofy wrote: post #63

This seems like the least of the negative impacts nextdoor encourages. i removed myself after months of watching people on this app become more and more paranoid, feeding off each other. the breaking point was when someonea put out a warning that someone had knocked on their door at 7:00pm, “the wife and i were eating dinner when the rude knock came. we crept over to the window, peeked out, and didn’t recognize the p…

Creeping around and posting paranoid messages is silly but I wouldn't blame anyone for ignoring an unexpected knock. The ratio between people I want to engage with and people I don't is just too low. For every teenage girl needing help there are a hundred proselytizers, salespeople, and scam artists.

Not all social interactions we have is desired to start with. It's possible to shut off and close the door on people you don't desire, but you never know unless you open the door in the first place.

On a personal level, an unexpected interaction can lead to meeting friendly people. You may even get some unexpected "reward" out of it: say maybe a neighbor was knocking to see if they could borrow your car, maybe the same neighbor has some plumbing skills and notices the leak in your kitchen, and proposes to fix it for you.

On a societal level, unmediated interaction between strangers is very important for social life and a sense of community. Please note there is a huge difference between unsollicited contact and stalking behavior: a person knocking on your door to ask something is certainly not in the same mindset than someone following you home.

So sure there's scams and salespeople. But if you don't open the door to those, you'll miss plenty of friendly interactions as well. At this point, better not check your email or phone because there might be spam there too?

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by posterboy »

toofy wrote: post #63

This seems like the least of the negative impacts nextdoor encourages. i removed myself after months of watching people on this app become more and more paranoid, feeding off each other. the breaking point was when someonea put out a warning that someone had knocked on their door at 7:00pm, “the wife and i were eating dinner when the rude knock came. we crept over to the window, peeked out, and didn’t recognize the p…

In conclusion, the sixteen year old had better post on the community website that she has a flat tire if anyone could help it, because knocking has become so rare that it upsets people.

As a counter point, then, the people should have posted when they are eating, so one can tell if everyone is busy. Alexa could probably guide the lost girl to the next bike shed if social karma allows /s

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by MandieD »

beeboop wrote: post #27
woodruffw wrote: post #23

We desperately need a revised CAN-SPAM[1], with two additional fangs: additional prohibitions on these sorts of dark patterns (designed to exhaust users into submission), and the opening of individual standing against companies that spam (so that individuals can directly sue these misbehaving companies rather than waiting for the FTC to un-capture itself). [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN-SPAM_Act_of_2003

We desperately need to overhaul how the average mail provider works. We need unique email addresses every time we sign up for an account that can then be disabled. I do this with fastmail though it's a little annoying to spend 20 seconds to create a new alias every time. At last count I had something like 470 aliases. Probably at least 40 disabled ones after receiving emails I didn't opt in for, or I disabled immedia…

If you have your own domain, Fastmail will let you set a wildcard rule and anyrandomthing@yourdomain.com will hit the mailbox, no further config necessary.

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by lolc »

mcv wrote: post #131
int_19h wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know how Nextdoor "seeks out people" to moderate, but what I can tell you is that my previous community lead was a guy who didn't post at all for like 2 years. My new community lead is me, somehow, even though I didn't post for almost as long. 99% of my posts even now are basically, "hey, can you guys please read the rules before making yet another post about a suspicious black dude who's obviously up to no g…

"Somehow"? How are these community leads assigned?

Look like the least jittery person is assigned :-)

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by Crosseye_Jack »

Angostura wrote: post #140
NonNefarious wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not if you go into the actual settings. The problem is that Apple is too stupid to respect the setting you make there. If you turn off Bluetooth in your system settings, they should treat the control panel's Bluetooth switch as a true on/off. But no; it's always temporary. Sometimes Apple can't figure out how to solve simple UI problems. When they even bother to try, their "solution" is an overly complicated, unrelia…

Apple is smart enough to recognise that people want to turn off things for different reasons, and give you different options - to permanently turn off the transceiver hardware, or to disable various services.

For example: When I leave my home to walk to the shops or something, I will often put YouTube on and listen to something, when I get to the top of the road and the phone can still see the WiFi network but can't use it reliably playback will often stop before it has chance to to fully swap to cellular (And Background Play on iOS YouTube often will need a kick to start playing again after a network error).

So I have got into the habbit of "turning off" WiFi via control center as I'm setting up what to listen to as I'm leaving the house and the playback pause issue is gone. With the current behaviour of control center it will "re-enable" WiFi by the time I get home so I don't forget to swap back to WiFi and eat up my cell data.

EDIT: When I want to turn WiFi completely off, I have a shortcut to do just that which I added to to the Assistive Touch menu.

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by hourago »

toofy wrote: post #63

This seems like the least of the negative impacts nextdoor encourages. i removed myself after months of watching people on this app become more and more paranoid, feeding off each other. the breaking point was when someonea put out a warning that someone had knocked on their door at 7:00pm, “the wife and i were eating dinner when the rude knock came. we crept over to the window, peeked out, and didn’t recognize the p…

> the breaking point was when someonea put out a warning that someone had knocked on their door at 7:00pm, “the wife and i were eating dinner when the rude knock came. we crept over to the window, peeked out, and didn’t recognize the person. be careful!”

Fear and hate drive engagement. If engagement is their metric that is how they will get it.

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by gyrogearloose »

southerntofu wrote: post #151
causality0 wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Creeping around and posting paranoid messages is silly but I wouldn't blame anyone for ignoring an unexpected knock. The ratio between people I want to engage with and people I don't is just too low. For every teenage girl needing help there are a hundred proselytizers, salespeople, and scam artists.

Not all social interactions we have is desired to start with. It's possible to shut off and close the door on people you don't desire, but you never know unless you open the door in the first place. On a personal level, an unexpected interaction can lead to meeting friendly people. You may even get some unexpected "reward" out of it: say maybe a neighbor was knocking to see if they could borrow your car, maybe the sa…

Lots of people's best defense against doorstep scams (and predatory salespeople) is not to open the door. I always open the door because I can easily fend off such people.

As it happens my street has a confusing layout which means I get lost food drivers at least twice per month. It only takes a moment to direct them to the right house.

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by SturgeonsLaw »

gyrogearloose wrote: post #158
southerntofu wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not all social interactions we have is desired to start with. It's possible to shut off and close the door on people you don't desire, but you never know unless you open the door in the first place. On a personal level, an unexpected interaction can lead to meeting friendly people. You may even get some unexpected "reward" out of it: say maybe a neighbor was knocking to see if they could borrow your car, maybe the sa…

Lots of people's best defense against doorstep scams (and predatory salespeople) is not to open the door. I always open the door because I can easily fend off such people. As it happens my street has a confusing layout which means I get lost food drivers at least twice per month. It only takes a moment to direct them to the right house.

Heh, I'm in the opposite scenario - Uber's map's shitty routing directs delivery drivers to the block behind me, so often my food gets dropped off at the wrong house. Luckily, they are not the type to open their door to unexpected knocks, so the food is still there when I go to collect it.

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by Hellbanevil »

NonNefarious wrote: post #118
toofy wrote: post #63

This seems like the least of the negative impacts nextdoor encourages. i removed myself after months of watching people on this app become more and more paranoid, feeding off each other. the breaking point was when someonea put out a warning that someone had knocked on their door at 7:00pm, “the wife and i were eating dinner when the rude knock came. we crept over to the window, peeked out, and didn’t recognize the p…

Yeah, it's pathetic. Here's your standard NextDoor headline: HOMELESS MAN LOOKED AT MY DOG AGGRESSIVELY Then you have a bunch of insipid suck-ups piling on in the comments, with "Oh I'm so sorry this happened to you!" "So glad you're OK!"

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