RIP, and good riddance
Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support
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Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support
#152I started my career 2008 building real estate and stock news websites. Back then, sooooo much of my days were spent making things "IE compatible" using techniques like: - creating sprite sheets of transparent png corners and sides that one could arrange in a table around an element to create drop-shadows and rounded corners - putting single pixel, transparent gifs at the end of floated containers because clearfix use…
Imagine having a piece of software where you have 95% global market dominance, a near complete monopoly. And then decide not to update said software in the slightest (other than security fixes) for 6 straight years. Kind of mind blowing.
Exactly what happened to Netscape, just that Netscape wasn't nearly as entrenched (their market share fell from 70-90% in 1996 to about 0 in 2002).
Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support
#153I started my career 2008 building real estate and stock news websites. Back then, sooooo much of my days were spent making things "IE compatible" using techniques like: - creating sprite sheets of transparent png corners and sides that one could arrange in a table around an element to create drop-shadows and rounded corners - putting single pixel, transparent gifs at the end of floated containers because clearfix use…
Imagine having a piece of software where you have 95% global market dominance, a near complete monopoly. And then decide not to update said software in the slightest (other than security fixes) for 6 straight years. Kind of mind blowing.
And people flock to vsCode and other offerings from MS like IE never happened. People really need long term memory...
Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
In conservative IT businesses like hospitals this date is a deal breaker: No more security updates. In consequence IT will switch it off immediately. Guess why edge has an IE Mode.
That's not what conservative means. My conservative hospital client recently downgraded to Windows 7! If you pay MS enough you get security updates no problem. Not to mention that even the less conservative are probably on Windows 10 LTSC where IE11 will keep running
Microsoft made the mistake of letting users keep IE11 next to Edge. Egregious.
Having a IE mode for whitelisted websites would have killed IE11 on public internet a long time ago.
“Website broken? Click here to try IE11 mode.”
But no, IE is still on the desktop and people will use it for both intranet and internet
Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support
#155MOSTLY. > Windows releases where Internet Explorer will still be available after June 15, 2022, include Windows 7 ESU, Windows 8.1, and all versions of Windows 10 LTSC client, IoT, and Server. > "The Internet Explorer (IE) 11 desktop application will end support for Windows 10 semi-annual channel starting June 15, 2022," Microsoft says on the IE11 lifecycle page. > As Microsoft further explains, "for supported operat…
I've never quite understood this MS policy of "ending support" but continuing support anyway for extended support contract customers or for specific versions, etc.
The way I look at it, MS obviously is actually continuing to support the product, they are just choosing not to make it available to most people. It's still supported, just not for everyone.
I feel that if security patches are still being produced, they should be released as opposed to expecting people to use nothing, or roll their own by getting patches from a third party.
They could be released as "donations" to the public good from the big customers.
Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Imagine having a piece of software where you have 95% global market dominance, a near complete monopoly. And then decide not to update said software in the slightest (other than security fixes) for 6 straight years. Kind of mind blowing.
And people flock to vsCode and other offerings from MS like IE never happened. People really need long term memory...
Microsoft's leadership and strategy has evolved under Nadella, at least enough to produce quality products like VSCode, and 'good enough' products like WSL.
I say this as someone who has historically been very anti-Microsoft, that used to do all my work in Linux. Modern Windows with VSCode, running WSL, is something the Microsoft of the IE6 era would never have produced.
Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
A couple of weeks back and edge update forced many many many users to Edge earlier than expected, if your tried to launch iexplorer.exe it would go to edge instead IEMode in Edge also works very well So if these companies are getting windows updates at all, or edge updates at all is somewhat not optional
I have a friend who works for a VA Hospital and they've switched as of yesterday. So we know the DOD/VA is at least switching off old IE8/IE10 Apps. The funny part is the app they use still works, you're just forced to run it in compatibility mode on Edge (Holy, I forgot this existed) but their user profiles have limited access so they can't right-click, properties, unless they have admin priv. New browser, same old…
A big reason for why this is in my opinion, is not that they don't want to get an update, it's because of corporate politics. Someone has to be the manager that goes "boss, I want to spend money and resources to update an essential service and doing so will increase security and productivity." What is heard " boss, I want to spend money".
Bosses never want to spend a cent, because of the "shareholders". They also don't want to say "yes" to something because if there is an issue, it is then their fault even if it was worth doing. They would rather kick the can down the road until the wheels come flying off the car.
This is why nothing ever gets updated.
Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support
#158There was a time in 1998-99 when Internet Explorer 4 / 5 was actually the best browser by far. Netscape 4 was unstable and had completely botched all the fancy new features: its implementation of CSS (brand new at the time) was so bad that even font sizes didn't work right, its homegrown "layers" API for JavaScript DOM access was awful, and many web developers were wishing they could somehow get away with only suppor…
> There was a time in 1998-99 when Internet Explorer 4 / 5 was actually the best browser by far.
Especially the Mac version of IE 5. Tasman was such a breath of fresh air. I never understood why they didn't use that engine everywhere.
Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
Imagine having a piece of software where you have 95% global market dominance, a near complete monopoly. And then decide not to update said software in the slightest (other than security fixes) for 6 straight years. Kind of mind blowing.
And people flock to vsCode and other offerings from MS like IE never happened. People really need long term memory...
I think IE's monopoly is an important component that cannot be ignored when doing comparisons. If Microsoft stopped updating VSCode, 90% is Open Source, and there are multiple good competitors already on the market. So there's minimal captive-ness with VSCode, whereas IE held the browser market captive in outmoded web tech for years, with no real escape for web developers and competitive browsers struggling to make headway.
Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
They both have some parallels to IE in their own ways. Chrome for the reasons you mentioned, safari because: -Coupled to OS updates, meaning that people on older versions of the OS will also have an older browser, with worse standards support (thankfully apples upgrade policies aren't as bad as android manufacturers, or this would be way worse) -lagging behind on standard features with less frequent, big updates that…
WebP is NOT a web standard, it's just a format a lot of browsers happen to support.
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