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I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by manmal »

jmyeet wrote: post #20

What I find truly bizarre is how many software engineers, who are aware of how much they earn and how long it really takes to make software, are so resistant to paying anything for tools that make their job easier and faster. It blows my mind. Take the Jetbrains IDEs. I don't mean to offend any VSC fans out there but the Jetbrains IDEs are simply better and more mature in every single way. For individual use, most of…

To me, IntelliJ IDEs feel clunky, slow, feature bloated, and messy. I did pay a couple times for AppCode, but eventually stopped doing that. VSCode on the other hand feels lightweight and fast. I use it exactly _because_ I value my time.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by tharne »

joshstrange wrote: post #131
tharne wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Lastly you say "None of these things are a big ask.", you just want the world on a silver platter for no cost, sorry but that is a big ask, Silver platter? Lol. Each of these things would require *less* effort on the part of software companies, not more. Upfront payment? It's easier to charge once than to set up recurring bill pay. Open source? You already have the code, just let me see it. Tracking? Just don't tra…

Do you work in tech? Like writing code? Because I honestly can't believe that someone who works in this industry could say "Each of these things would require less effort on the part of software companies, not more." with a straight face. > Upfront payment? It's easier to charge once than to set up recurring bill pay. Monthly bill payments on a regular schedule are not hard, huge spikes are more difficult to deal wit…

> Do you work in tech? Like writing code?

Yes and yes.

Perhaps with the exception of showing the source code, these things we're discussing are things that used to be quite common place, i.e. you could buy and own a piece of software with one upfront payment and it didn't track you.

I have very hard time believing that things that were the norm a short time ago are suddenly now impossible or prohibitively difficult.

I can understand a company pursuing things like a subscription model and expansive tracking. It's potentially more profitable, just like making it very hard replace in iPhone batter is more profitable. However, it doesn't make it right and is one of reasons a lot of developers don't like to pay for modern software. Nobody likes being fleeced and developers are in the best position to call bullshit on software.

In terms of getting new features. I will (and have) pay for a new version of a piece of software a useful feature appears. Most new features in subscription based software are just fluff designed to justify the ongoing monthly charge.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by curun1r »

azemetre wrote: post #78
cageface wrote: post #7

If you're really that concerned about using propriety software why not help build the emacs or vim ecosystem instead?

As someone who has been using vim for 5 years and neovim for 2 years, what sort of learning material (books, videos) would you recommend to learn about vim internals and subsequently neovim internals? I would love to contribute but I'm mostly a webdev, but I'd love to take a year or so to learn and hopefully contribute throughout the rest of my life. It's just so hard to start or learn. The material doesn't even have…

It will require you to venture into C land, but I found the walkthrough of the code for the kilo editor [0] to be very informative. It’ll hit on a number of the basic concerns that a console-based editor needs to solve. Any vi/emacs impl will obviously be a lot more complex, but a simpler starting point is better for learning.

[0] https://viewsourcecode.org/snaptoken/kilo/

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by Beltalowda »

btdmaster wrote: post #19
Kwpolska wrote: post #6

Their main argument is “no telemetry” (or sometimes “no cemetery tracking”…), but VS Code has a setting to disable telemetry [0], and I would trust that it’s really disabled if you set it so (why would they lie about something quite trivial to check with Wireshark or such?) > I’m sure there is a small performance gain because you don’t have telemetry running in the background sending data to Microsoft. Have you profi…

VS Codium has tried, and not succeeded, to disable all telemetry[0][1]. This is with direct access to and patches to source code and all the knobs set to off. If the direction of upstream is diametrically opposed to downstream, it is nearly impossible to prevent these issues. [0] https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/issues/623 [1] https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/issues/631

Neither of those issues describe any telemetry, unless you define "telemetry" as "uses any internet connectivity that's not even to Microsoft's servers".

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by thebackup »

jmyeet wrote: post #20

What I find truly bizarre is how many software engineers, who are aware of how much they earn and how long it really takes to make software, are so resistant to paying anything for tools that make their job easier and faster. It blows my mind. Take the Jetbrains IDEs. I don't mean to offend any VSC fans out there but the Jetbrains IDEs are simply better and more mature in every single way. For individual use, most of…

I mostly write C++ and I would love to use CLion, but my employer won’t pay for the license fees, so my choices are VSCode or Eclipse.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by dxdm »

the_duke wrote: post #30
jmyeet wrote: post #20

What I find truly bizarre is how many software engineers, who are aware of how much they earn and how long it really takes to make software, are so resistant to paying anything for tools that make their job easier and faster. It blows my mind. Take the Jetbrains IDEs. I don't mean to offend any VSC fans out there but the Jetbrains IDEs are simply better and more mature in every single way. For individual use, most of…

> but the Jetbrains IDEs are simply better and more mature in every single way That's just not true. I have access to the full Jetbrains suite for free, yet I still opt to use Neovim or VS Code/Codium for most languages. Jetbrains IDEs are great in many ways, but are objectively worse on several metrics: * slow startup times * slow initial operations until the JIT is warmed up * even once warm, you always eventually…

I'm using PyCharm in i3 daily, and it works great.

There was a bug around input focus of certain Windows once, it had an immediate work around, and Jetbrains fixed the bug in a reasonable time frame for the probably pretty small percentage of users on i3.

Jetbrains IDEs are not the greatest example for why free software is better; they actually a rare example of proprietary software working really well.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by tharne »

bbbobbb wrote: post #144
tharne wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Lastly you say "None of these things are a big ask.", you just want the world on a silver platter for no cost, sorry but that is a big ask, Silver platter? Lol. Each of these things would require *less* effort on the part of software companies, not more. Upfront payment? It's easier to charge once than to set up recurring bill pay. Open source? You already have the code, just let me see it. Tracking? Just don't tra…

Are you ignoring the 'perpetual fallback license'? I would expect you'd welcome it if it is such a strong point for you. You can pay once for JetBrains IDE and never ever update (or even access older version) and keep using it after that.

> Are you ignoring the 'perpetual fallback license'?

I'm not ignoring it, I'm just not a JetBrains user for reasons outside of cost. I happen to like emacs and donate to different parts of the emacs ecosystem.

Most of my development is scripting and writing a lot of glue code which doesn't benefit tremendously from an IDE. If I found myself working on large enterprise apps or doing a lot of java programming, I'd give JetBrains a look.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by ekianjo »

terhechte wrote: post #147
netr0ute wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any evidence to back that up?

I think Gnome / GTK is a good example. Famously, the Budgie Desktop Environment will have to be rewritten on top of Enlightenment because they don't like the GTK 4 changes. So now they're forced to go to a different widget system. [1] [1] https://joshuastrobl.com/2021/09/14/building-an-alternative-...

Its a technical decision. Nobody is forcing them to do anything.
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