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I love the Linux desktop, but that doesn't mean I don't see its problems

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Re: I love the Linux desktop, but that doesn't mean I don't see its problems

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I hate it, which is why I don't use it. Ubuntu got the closest for me, but the owner's refusal to allow users to move that taskbar to the bottom of the screen made me give up on it altogether. And unless it's a supported distro, I don't want it. Been burned too many times by pet projects that end up being abandoned. The other thing is that in all my years of using Windows and MacOS, I have NEVER had an issue where an…

It sounds like your Linux experience is pretty old. It may be worth your time to try again. Ubuntu has lost much of its favor. I'd suggest Linux Mint, which is much better than Ubuntu ever was. I personally prefer their XFCE desktop edition and wish they had a KDE desktop edition. Their Cinnamon desktop is too bland for me.

Re: I love the Linux desktop, but that doesn't mean I don't see its problems

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Also shout out to KDE connect!

I've been trying to get kde connect working for about a month and I've yet to get to the point where my laptop and phone can actually 'see' each other even after whilelisting the ports in the firewall (or turning it completely off for that matter). FWIW I'm on Endevor OS (arch) with an xps 13 and a pixel 5a.

Why would you need to make any changes to your firewall? Are you trying to use KDE Connect from outside of your LAN?

Re: I love the Linux desktop, but that doesn't mean I don't see its problems

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I've been trying to get kde connect working for about a month and I've yet to get to the point where my laptop and phone can actually 'see' each other even after whilelisting the ports in the firewall (or turning it completely off for that matter). FWIW I'm on Endevor OS (arch) with an xps 13 and a pixel 5a.

Why would you need to make any changes to your firewall? Are you trying to use KDE Connect from outside of your LAN?

No, it was just the main suggestion when I said I couldn't connect.

Re: I love the Linux desktop, but that doesn't mean I don't see its problems

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thank you, that's quite an interesting article. however i don't agree that the lessons of OS/2 apply to linux. for one, linux does not have a single business interest driving it, so many of the OS/2 issues relating to IBM don't apply. being a better windows than windows bolstered windows apps, but only killed OS/2 because native OS/2 was worse than native windows. that too does not apply to linux. OS/2 died because I…

The status quo is 1% of the desktop market.

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Re: I love the Linux desktop, but that doesn't mean I don't see its problems

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thank you, that's quite an interesting article. however i don't agree that the lessons of OS/2 apply to linux. for one, linux does not have a single business interest driving it, so many of the OS/2 issues relating to IBM don't apply. being a better windows than windows bolstered windows apps, but only killed OS/2 because native OS/2 was worse than native windows. that too does not apply to linux. OS/2 died because I…

The status quo is 1% of the desktop market.

i don't know where that number comes from, but it reminds be of the news that steam on linux reached 1% last year.

however if you look at english steam games only, the value is actually 2.5% and the overall trajectory seems to be slow growth:

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/steam-tracker/

let's see where we are next year.

Re: I love the Linux desktop, but that doesn't mean I don't see its problems

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shrug You can have as much snark as you want. I specifically said that Linux should remain the platform of choice, just that the defaults should be stronger so that it's a more consistent and approachable platform for people. GNOME has made great advancements in this regard, which has been awesome to see.

> just that the defaults should be stronger Agreed. > GNOME has made great advancements in this regard, which has been awesome to see. I wasn't joking or being hyperbolic in my previous post. GNOME may have good defaults in certain cases but it ends there. User choice and customization are seen as design defects and anti-features. They really do believe that there is a One True Font and One True Theme out there and a…

Some people don't want to configure everything about their desktop. Most people don't. They just want something that looks nice and feels good to use. Apple's ecosystem is expensive and locked in while gnome/linux is open and works with as much hardware and software as possible, on top of that it's free. Also the software experience is different too, while on Mac software that involves any personalization or enhances the desktop is paid, while gnome/linux is free and almost all software that enhances the desktop is also free and open source software. Their opinions on UI/UX might be similar but that's where the majority of their similarities end.

Re: I love the Linux desktop, but that doesn't mean I don't see its problems

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Proudly. If your agenda is to take away my customization and make the Linux desktop into something with broad mainstream appeal, then I proudly sabotage that.

That's not my agenda.

Whatever your agenda is, I didn't sign up for it. And if you truly have no agenda at all, then you have no business trying to 'herd' people. Either way, pound sand.

Re: I love the Linux desktop, but that doesn't mean I don't see its problems

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I hate it, which is why I don't use it. Ubuntu got the closest for me, but the owner's refusal to allow users to move that taskbar to the bottom of the screen made me give up on it altogether. And unless it's a supported distro, I don't want it. Been burned too many times by pet projects that end up being abandoned. The other thing is that in all my years of using Windows and MacOS, I have NEVER had an issue where an…

It sounds like your Linux experience is pretty old. It may be worth your time to try again. Ubuntu has lost much of its favor. I'd suggest Linux Mint, which is much better than Ubuntu ever was. I personally prefer their XFCE desktop edition and wish they had a KDE desktop edition. Their Cinnamon desktop is too bland for me.

I've used Mint. It wasn't a good experience. I like and use daily the command line version of Linux and despise the desktop version in all its various frankenstein's monster flavors.

And for the record, I've been using desktop Linux off and on since before Slackware was released. I simply no longer have any interest in making yet another attempt at meeting my day to day needs with such terrible products. If I really wanted to use a Linux gui app that bad, I'd just dial it up in the Windows 11 hypervisor.

Re: I love the Linux desktop, but that doesn't mean I don't see its problems

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>You want to use Gnome? Use Gnome. You want to use KDE? Use KDE. I3? ditto. Etc. To play devil's advocate: What do those even mean and why should I care? I want to view my files and folders and click a shortcut to run a program and install steam. And I want that process to be stable and smooth and be both logically transparent and consistent. There's too much I have to critically compare and understand in my life to…

That doesn't contradict my point. If you don't care, just grab some distro that seems reasonably prevalent, like Ubuntu or whatever. They have spins or flavors or whatever they're called, but on the website you don't exactly have to make a choice. There's a big "download" button that gives you the "recommended" choice. Install that. You'll be able to view your files and folders and click a shortcut to run a program.…

> The explorer-like app that seems to have been the most stable is Finder.

Dolphin has been basically the same for 16 years as far as I can tell/remember.

Re: I love the Linux desktop, but that doesn't mean I don't see its problems

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If the Linux desktop consolidates/unifies around one option I’d probably stop using it. The primary reason I use Linux on my desktop is so that I can use my niche window manager of choice as a first-class citizen, rather than hacking reasonable window management into the system with scripts on top of a bad-by-default window manager. If I can’t do that anymore I might as well use macOS with yabai and get the broader a…

I've no idea why so many people expect completely different Unix-clones with completely different origins that simply share one component between them, which they also all heavily modify, to somehow give up their own identity and merge. It's probably simply because others all call them “Linux”, but they rarely even call themselves that. One cannot easily find the word “Linux” on the websites of “Fedora” or “Ubuntu” f…

Monopolistic desire is a mind virus that people steeped in corporate culture acquire and bring with them into scenes like this. To a mind so afflicted, the premise that 'Linux' should be unified to maximize the chance of achieving total market domination seems to go unquestioned.
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